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three-o-six says:
What kind of rhetorical nonsense are you spouting here? With one sentence you recognize the UN's authority to govern in world matters. Yet you pronounce Israel as an "illegally" sanctioned nation. Do I need to remind you that it was the UN that legally recognized Israel in 1948? If it not the UN who decides what is a "legal" nation, then who does? What constitutes a legal nation? Who decides? Does your opinion count?
Not really. In the end "Brute Forc"%u201D decides and that is what this whole thing is about.
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three-o-six says:
What kind of rhetorical nonsense are you spouting here? With one sentence you recognize the UN%u2019s authority to govern in world matters. Yet you pronounce Israel as an %u201Cillegally%u201D sanctioned nation. Do I need to remind you that it was the UN that legally recognized Israel in 1948? If it not the UN who decides what is a %u201Clegal%u201D nation then who is it? What constitutes a legal nation? Who decides? Does your opinion count?
Not really. In the end %u201CBrute Force%u201D decides and that is what this whole thing is about.
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three-o-six says:
What kind of rhetorical nonsense are you spouting here? With one sentence you recognize the UN%u2019s authority to govern in world matters. Yet you pronounce Israel as an %u201Cillegally%u201D sanctioned nation. Do I need to remind you that it was the UN that legally recognized Israel in 1948? If it not the UN who decides what is a %u201Clegal%u201D nation then who is it? What constitutes a legal nation? Who decides? Does your opinion count?
Not really. In the end %u201CBrute Force%u201D decides and that is what this whole thing is about.
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reuben110-2009 says:
Having said that I do agree with Ronnie surprisingly enough, we do need guarentees that Iran will stop enrichment, in fact I would go so far as to say, Irans capabilities ought to be dismantled. However again, suspension should not be a pre-requisite, its us who are doing the requesting here. Why should they accept something that effectively says, you suspend your inalienable right under international law, and we may provide you with an off you may find accetable. We need guarentees, and pronto, so we must offer something that Iran accepts. Not the other way around.
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reuben110-2009 says:
Moreover, allow me to re-iterate, again it appears we want confrontation by the sound of our tone. We are derogatory, and we are coming across as too arrogant. The UN is a world body, not a US body, we make it sound like sanctions are a foregone conclusion, whereas the resolution states sanctions maybe applicable, not definately applicable, provided Irans business partners agree and do not veto. Again our stratey here is typical of our ludricous foreign policy. The truth is we want to attack Iran. So we are hoping they expand enrichment to provide us with an alliby.

And finally Ronnie, countries that steal oil(oil exports from Iraq to US up 186% IN THE PAST 24 MONTHS) are rightly accused of trying to dominate the oil supply, especially when the same country uses 40% of the worlds production, in my book that is a fair accusation, irrespective of whether the accusing country possesses oil or not. Not hypocritical, its unfortunately factual!
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reuben110-2009 says:
Firstly it is important to note that what Ahadinejad has said can be described as nothing short of inflammatory. 2 comments specifically,i have serious qualms with. The first I have forgiven him for, which was Isral should be wiped off the map. Now this may surprise many of you and rightly so, though in his defense I found that this comment was subject to opportune journalistic mistranslation that had the desired effect. It was an excerpt of a long speech, in which he was saying that Israel is an illegaly founded state, and because of its illegality it should be wiped off the map, and shifted, this is not what most people like to believe, a call for genocide.

Number 2, i still have a problem with him denying the holocaust, but again what he has said is fair, European jews died in the holocaust, not middle-easterners, what part did Palestine lay in this process? Why i it them that are paying the price? That is fair. However, he still denied a fact, though I think it would be amusing to allow him to send an impartial team to investigate!

So comments aside, as they seem to be used as propaganda, Ronnie says Iranian troops and weapons seem to turn up at random places. May I point out if that statement is not applicable to the US, I dont know what is.

cont....
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ronniehm says:
In light of recent comments about wiping Israel off the map, I think we need guarantees that a nuclear weapons program cannot be developed in Iran. Guarantees, not promises. Considering how Iranian weapons and soldiers just seem to pop up in all the strangest places, I think Iran has the responsibility to provide that guarantee.

I don't get the oil thing. Sounds like paranoia. I can say that it makes me a little nauseous to hear countries that dominate the oil supply accuse anyone of trying to dominate the oil supply. That's just plain hypocrisy.
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reuben110-2009 says:
We are supposed to be a beacon of the civilised world. As uranium enrichment is in their hands, and it is us that are requesting suspension, why are we talking about suspension as a pre-requisite, its up to us to offer Iran a deal that will evoke suspension, not a tone that says stop what you have an inalienable right of producing and then we may offer you something you may see as acceptable.

They do not feel threatened by us, and why shoul they, sanctions isn't something new for Iran, Iran knows sanctions will be a bitter blow for Russia, and China and oil prices. The current resolution says, sanctions MAY be applicable, it doesnt say definately applicable or even likely to be applicable, they see our tone as a bullying tactic, and you can bet your bottom dollar that it sure as hell does not cut the mustard in Tehran.

I dont know how many high-IQ employees from the Ivy League the White House currently employs, but you would think and hope one of them will have the common sense to convince somebody higher up the pecking order to change their tone, because our tone illustrates, as usual, we are again interested in confrontation that leads to yet another oil robberry, Iran is having none of it. And rightly so. Lets offer them something worthwhile, and get inspectors in that not only monitor, but dismantle their current capabilities, its a situation that requires tact, not the foolishness that is so typical of our country's political strategy.
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jms_cheung says:
The UN and EU leaders seem to be CRAZY and STUPID today? WHY? Instead of punishing terrorist states like Iran for making nuclear bombs, they are offering lucrative economic packages to them if they stop the uranium enrichment! Such silly approach is indeed dumb and stupid, for it only ENCOURAGE other terrorist states to start making `nuclear bombs' and thus qualified to blackmail the UN, US & European Union to offer them `lucrative economic packages'. The only sensible thing to do now to STOP global terrorism is for the the US & NATO to assume the absolute authority to PRE-EMPT (aerial bombardments) all Iranian nuclear facilities...thus solved the problem ...instead of having UNENDING silly UN meetings which GO NOWHERE..until Iran has invented the N-bomb!
This pre-emption against Iran is a deterrent and warning to all terrorist states which try to secretly make nuclear bombs!
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grazinggoat says:
I'll provide a box of Kleenex for far more...
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