by evlqn How can any one claiming morals attack a place of worship? ... Someone tried to burn down a place of worship on a maybe. ... How many Muslims civil rights are violated everyday?? When did your Christian god say it was alright to victimize the innocent??
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What makes you think you know who did this evlqn? I saw where one of the largest Muslim groups in the country called on the FBI to protect Muslims after this fire, which destroyed one of the mosques office buildings... I saw no condemnation however from CAIR of the actual bombing plot... But then, CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator of terrorism financing and linked to Hamas... Do you really think that groups linked to terrorism wouldn't set fire to an office building as a propaganda stunt???
As a matter of fact, ISNA and NAIT were also associated with Hamas and terrorism... NAIT controls a large number of mosques in this country and in many cases entirely owns the property... It will be interesting to learn if Muslim Brotherhood group also controls the mosque in Oregon...
I did see leaders from this mosque denounce the bombing plot but at the same time they say that Islam is a religion of peace... One who takes the time to study the religion would wonder how they could make such a statement... The religion was founded upon violence... And, you see violence in the name of Allah on a daily basis... The first time that you see a Muslim hoping for martyrdom is at the battle of Badr... The first major battle of Muhammad... You still see it happening today!
Attempting to use entrapment as a defense for the referenced homegrown bomber, shows his attorneys are grasping at straws. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that entrapment is when someone is coerced into doing something they never intended to, or have no history of, doing. Given the amount of time spent by the FBI, I don't think there is any way this person can slip through a loophole.
The burning of any building of worship is a sad thing in America. This country was founded by those trying to escape religious persecution but, it does clearly show that there are those who seem to feel that they need to take action (although illegal and baseless} against a group for the crimes of a few. If left unchecked I fear we may have an uprising against Mosques and Muslems in which many innocent people may be hurt for nothing more than their religion, thus creating the same religious persecution that we have tried to prevent since the founding.
There is probably an even chance that this fire was started by Muslims as a propaganda tool... Radical Islam is split between those that believe in violent jihad against the U.S. and Muslim Brotherhood groups, who do believe in jihad but believe that it should only be used when it is the most effective strategy. First you must have what is called civilization jihad or "stealth" jihad... A document entered into evidence in the 2008 Holy Land Foundation terrorism funding trial tells exactly what is meant by civilization jihad... It says in part that it involves "grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by their hand and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated". In other words, the enemy should be softened up first before attempting violent jihad...
The Muslim Brotherhood, who control every major Muslim group in this country realizes how much damage someone like this would be bomber can do to their propaganda campaign... What better way to salvage what they can than setting fire to the mosque themselves and playing the victim, once again... It certainly works with people like you, who would condemn this act, yet say nothing of an attempted bombing that would have killed innocents.
sayfud-deen. you are good w/propaganda. 1st thing. i read the fire was contained to one room. you said 80% of the mosque was damaged. the silence of moderate muslims is still quite deafening. why would he wait 2yrs. those looking to make the entire world islamic are very patient people and are also hell bent with their agendas. 2yrs would be nothing. such remarks as the 2yr wait is pure propaganda. get lost. preferably in a country other than the us
some 25yr old congregant of the mosque called the fire a 'heinous act'. i am curious to know if he had comments concerning his muslim brother's attempted mass killing.
You crack me up. I made it extemely clear how much myself and my neighbors went so out of the way to protect the Muslims in our community. You clearly are one those "Gifted" ones who only sees or reads what he or her want to see.
Wkipedia and the online free dictionary give clear statement of the taught Western hate to youngsters in the Middle East and Europe and the USA, in the confines of the Madrasa's and the Wahhabi secular brainwashing camps. As previously stated, your naive and idealist views will not change until those who are taught (In the 100 of thousands) To destroy infidels, reach you !!
Once again no outrage from Obama and his followers when another Muslim Male tries to kill Americans. This reminds me of the alliance between the radical left and the Gihadist during Bush years. It still continues.
My father told me over 40 years ago,"The loneliest man in the world is one who will lay down his principles to stand with a friend." I have always believed my father was right. How can any one claiming morals attack a place of worship? I do not attend any church, mosque, meeting hall or temple but I would never do anything to harm one. What gives anyone the right to disrespect another's holy place?? Someone tried to burn down a place of worship on a maybe. Maybe, someone who may attend services there has an agenda we don't agree with. Maybe someone has spoken out against someone else. Maybe someone has even threatened someone else. For sure it was not the entire congregation but it is for sure the entire congregation gets to suffer. How is that right? Does anyone remember the civil rights movement?? How many Muslims civil rights are violated everyday?? When did your Christian god say it was alright to victimize the innocent?? Didn't he let his son die for the innocents?? He must be really proud of his followers now.
What makes you think you know who did this evlqn? I saw where one of the largest Muslim groups in the country called on the FBI to protect Muslims after this fire which destroyed one of the mosques office buildings... I saw no condemnation however from CAIR of the actual bombing plot... But then, CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator of terrorism financing and linked to Hamas... Do you really think that groups linked to terrorism wouldn't set fire to an office building as a propaganda stunt???
As a matter of fact, ISNA and NAIT were also associated with Hamas and terrorism... NAIT controls a large number of mosques in this country and in many cases entirely owns the property... It will be interesting to learn if Muslim Brotherhood group also controls the mosque in Oregon...
I did see leaders from this mosque denounce the bombing plot but at the same time they say that Islam is a religion of peace... One who takes the time to study the religion would wonder how they could make such a statement... The religion was founded upon violence... And, you see violence in the name of Allah on a daily basis... The first time that you see a Muslim hoping for martyrdom is at the battle of Badr... The first major battle of Muhammad... You still see it happening today!
Some posters argue that there are Americans willing to take the rights of other Americans away when referring to Muslims in America. Lets not forget that there are some Americans among us willing to kill and main innocent Americans because they believe in Jihad. It is a two-way street. Which is the greater evil?
slappy_mcghee - I will attempt to answer that question. There are times when a nation is threatened and its people are fearful and demand protection. During WWII, there were some Japanese Americans and German Americans who held gatherings in support of our enemies. There were people who attempted to provide information about troop movements, arsenals, military facilities, etc to the enemy. We feared attempts to blow-up ships and factories by those who supported the enemy. Japanese internment camps were a reaction to these threats. At the same time, we had Japanese Americans and German Americans loyal to the United States. Today, that reaction seems irrational or overkill. For the most part, those of us living today are not the ones receiving notice that our son was killed in action or worried that our son would be the next one drafted for war. We can not judge and evaluate actions taken against internal threats the same way today because we are looking back but were not involved in the thick and thin of what was happening around us at the time. In hindsight we may have erred. At the time,it probably made sense to those living through it.
by slappy_mcghee
Read some ACTUAL history instead of apologist and revisionist accounts as you currently do.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- Right slappy taqiyya... The Qur'an, hadiths, Biographies of Muhammad by Muslim authors and writings by religious Islamic scholars somehow don't tell what these people actually believe???
I mean, I could debate you about how moderates vs. Islamists see this literature but you've read none of it... So, it would be kind of pointless...
A few quotes and passages on the internet doesn't count slappy!
I mean, you actually post links of radical Islamic statements engaging in taqiyya, never even realizing that they are radical... How pathetic is that???
I know the history of Israel slappy taqiyya... From multiple sources... Both Palestinian and Jewish... Dershowitz, being a lawyer, does a very good job of proving what he says... A must read for someone who is actually interested in the truth...
I know Islam and radical Islam even better... I've been interested in both subjects, therefore I learn about them... The internet is great but it is no substitute for books and study... You make it all too apparent that believe what you do, no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary...
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How can any one claiming morals attack a place of worship? ... Someone tried to burn down a place of worship on a maybe. ... How many Muslims civil rights are violated everyday?? When did your Christian god say it was alright to victimize the innocent??
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What makes you think you know who did this evlqn? I saw where one of the largest Muslim groups in the country called on the FBI to protect Muslims after this fire, which destroyed one of the mosques office buildings... I saw no condemnation however from CAIR of the actual bombing plot... But then, CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator of terrorism financing and linked to Hamas... Do you really think that groups linked to terrorism wouldn't set fire to an office building as a propaganda stunt???
As a matter of fact, ISNA and NAIT were also associated with Hamas and terrorism... NAIT controls a large number of mosques in this country and in many cases entirely owns the property... It will be interesting to learn if Muslim Brotherhood group also controls the mosque in Oregon...
I did see leaders from this mosque denounce the bombing plot but at the same time they say that Islam is a religion of peace... One who takes the time to study the religion would wonder how they could make such a statement... The religion was founded upon violence... And, you see violence in the name of Allah on a daily basis... The first time that you see a Muslim hoping for martyrdom is at the battle of Badr... The first major battle of Muhammad... You still see it happening today!
ruled that entrapment is when someone is coerced into doing something they
never intended to, or have no history of, doing. Given the amount of time spent by the FBI, I don't think there is any way this person can slip through a loophole.
If left unchecked I fear we may have an uprising against Mosques and Muslems in which many innocent people may be hurt for nothing more than their religion, thus creating the same religious persecution that we have tried to prevent since the founding.
The Muslim Brotherhood, who control every major Muslim group in this country realizes how much damage someone like this would be bomber can do to their propaganda campaign... What better way to salvage what they can than setting fire to the mosque themselves and playing the victim, once again... It certainly works with people like you, who would condemn this act, yet say nothing of an attempted bombing that would have killed innocents.
You crack me up. I made it extemely clear how much myself and my neighbors went so out of the way to protect the Muslims in our community. You clearly are one those "Gifted" ones who only sees or reads what he or her want to see.
Wkipedia and the online free dictionary give clear statement of the taught Western hate to youngsters in the Middle East and Europe and the USA, in the confines of the Madrasa's and the Wahhabi secular brainwashing camps. As previously stated, your naive and idealist views will not change until those who are taught (In the 100 of thousands) To destroy infidels, reach you !!
LOL!
Once again no outrage from Obama and his followers when another Muslim Male tries to kill Americans. This reminds me of the alliance between the radical left and the Gihadist during Bush years. It still continues.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
As a matter of fact, ISNA and NAIT were also associated with Hamas and terrorism... NAIT controls a large number of mosques in this country and in many cases entirely owns the property... It will be interesting to learn if Muslim Brotherhood group also controls the mosque in Oregon...
I did see leaders from this mosque denounce the bombing plot but at the same time they say that Islam is a religion of peace... One who takes the time to study the religion would wonder how they could make such a statement... The religion was founded upon violence... And, you see violence in the name of Allah on a daily basis... The first time that you see a Muslim hoping for martyrdom is at the battle of Badr... The first major battle of Muhammad... You still see it happening today!
Read some ACTUAL history instead of apologist and revisionist accounts as you currently do.
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Right slappy taqiyya... The Qur'an, hadiths, Biographies of Muhammad by Muslim authors and writings by religious Islamic scholars somehow don't tell what these people actually believe???
I mean, I could debate you about how moderates vs. Islamists see this literature but you've read none of it... So, it would be kind of pointless...
I mean, you actually post links of radical Islamic statements engaging in taqiyya, never even realizing that they are radical... How pathetic is that???
I know Islam and radical Islam even better... I've been interested in both subjects, therefore I learn about them... The internet is great but it is no substitute for books and study... You make it all too apparent that believe what you do, no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary...