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jankebenzone says:
Tough bananas atheists, the courts have ruled you out of order and anti American.Don't like it? move to one of the few remaining communists countries such as Vietnam. Btw, there is only one God!
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rnrstar replies:
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You are a perfect example of why "under God" in the pledge is so deleterious to this country. It gives people like you an excuse to denigrate your fellow Americans simply because they don't believe in your god. So what's next if we refuse to leave, gas chambers?
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tonyatq says:
Good for the courts!
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RoboBlogger says:
"God" is a universal language for Creator. Leave it at that. Besides, it wouldn't sound right without it after memorizing it for 26 years.
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tronking says:
What people seem to fail to see here is that he see's this as an infringement on his beliefs and unconstitutional.

--The San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel rejected two legal challenges by Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow, who said the references to God are unconstitutional and infringe on his religious beliefs. His rights are to believe what he wants and to leave it at that. If he wants to change something that I believe in then he is violating my rights of religious freedom which is in the constitution.

This should not even be in the courts, for one main reason. According to the report -- A federal appeals court upheld the use of the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency, rejecting arguments Thursday that the phrases violate the separation of church and state.

The courts keep trying to put separation of church and state into the constitution and it is not there. Therefore any court rulings stating a violation of constitutional rights would be out of order. This has been a problem for many years and this battle will keep going on until the constitution gets ammended. Then if an ammendment was made and it stated separation then the courts could rule on violations of constitutional rights due to constitutional requirements for separation of church and state.
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debbyt1-2009 says:
This country was found on religious principles,like it or not. The separation of church and state simply means, you can choose which religion, or lack or religion you want, but that the religious principles stand as our foundation. If you don't like it blame your ancestors who came here... or go back to where you came from... this is OUR country..for all of us. If you don't like our constitution, go find a country that you believe in.
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tronking replies:
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The problem isn't religious principles the problem is putting words into the constitution that aren't there and then making court rulings on those words. We need to hammer our courts when they make these rulings and let them know they need to make their decisions on written law. Not on what they perceive someone meant in a letter that was written as a response to a question that had no legal binding.
rnrstar replies:
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Exactly what religious principles is this country founded upon. Better yet, what specifically Christian principles are to be found in the Constitution? The problem with platitudes such as "we were founded upon Christian principles" is that under even the most superficial examination there is no substance. They exist only to muddy reality. IOW, propaganda. The fact is, you can't find a single Christian principle in the Constitution. It is a wholly secular document that never mentions God, even once. Our founding fathers recognized the danger of allowing God into the government and fought back every single attempt to include God in the Constitution.
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Devils_advocate_from_SJ says:
...Amen !!
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dcodyman says:
why is it that just because you are an atheist you are aloud to remove GOD from everything what about my right to be a christian and the right to believe in GOD do you see christian going around suing atheist for emotional distress, what about my rights to want my children and grandchildren to say the pledge and keep GOD in our everyday life i believe in the words IN GOD WE TRUST!!! i feel i am very emotional distressed do to the fact that my grandchildren do not pray in school, so distressed it is hard for me to get out of bed i feel it is my right to pray where ever i feel i need to pray!!!!!! why don't you give me the respect to pray, if you do not wish to believe that is ok by me i will not force you, but why do you want to force me to do thing i do not believe as a believer in GOD do i not have rights?
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rnrstar replies:
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No atheist or supporter of the Constitution that I know of is advocating that we should "remove GOD from everything". That is known as a straw man argument. You have every right to say the pledge any way you want. What you do not have a right to do is to use OUR government to tell me that I should pray to your god with the Pledge. BTW, your grandchildren are certainly allowed to pray in school. Once again, your right has not been violated. Just as it is my right to not have a public school teacher lead my child in prayer. BTW, do you think your right to "pray where ever I feel I need to pray" include a court room while it is in session? Try saying the Lord's Prayer out loud in a court room while in session and see what your rights are.
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newsterl says:
"and Newdow received death threats. "

Oh yeah, those xtians are certainly not about that, the violent history of this cult and the other branches of it is well documented, just read about the reformation, inquisition, witch trials, jailings, torture, burnings, beheadings, pole axing, entire villages of "non believers" who refused to "convert" were wiped out- men, women, children AND animals. It's all in the history books
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spillover says:
Bye Bye Mikey, you won't be missed.
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rnrstar replies:
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Bye Bye religious freedom, it will be missed.
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consh8theusa says:
"Under God" wasn't in the original pledge as written, but was added in 1954 because the Knights of Columbus wanted it added, so no, I don't think they belong.
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