Lying to the judge, concealing his passport, and spending copious amounts of money! PLUS he's looking well fed and shaved--- perhaps Georgie was a plannin'on a runnin' !!! Hope he gets life-he deserves it.
We now have proof that 7luckyseven believes that Zimmerman never saw Martin. No wonder he believes that Zimmerman is innocent - if he believes they never met, how could Zimmerman have shot Martin?
Oh, that proof is 7elevens refusal to admit that to "confront" someone you only need to meet them face to face. Since he states repeatedly that Zimmerman never met Martin face to face (because Zimmerman never confronted Martin) he therefore believes none of this EVER HAPPENED.
So 7eleven, if you don't think it happened, why do you keep talking about it?
7 eleven - There is a witness that states Martin asked Zimmerman why he was following him (Martin) and Zimmerman replied argumentively, "What are you doing here?" Met face to face with argumentative intent. He faced him with an accusation (that he didn't belong there). Even by your definition, Zimmerman confronted Martin.
7eleven - You really should study English. The only way that Zimmerman would have been the "confrontee" and not the "confronter" would be if Zimmerman had been walking along minding his own business and Martin precipitated the incident - which is the exact opposite of what occurred, since Zimmerman targeted Martin, Zimmerman followed Martin, Zimmerman got out of his car to pursue Martin.
Therefore Zimmerman confronted Martin, not the opposite.
Zimmerman is in arguably the worst place anyone accused of a crime could be in....on the scapegoated receiving end of every guilt-ridden liberals' social agenda.
The political climate, and the times we live in, are against him. His chances of survival and justice are so tiny as to be nearly non-existent...and I'm afraid the people tasked with making fair and impartial decisions regarding this case, lack the moral courage to do so. What we're about to witness is a lynching....21st century style.
by 7luckyseven June 3, 2012 4:47 PM EDT The coroner is simply making a conjecture since he has no way of knowing when the last time Martin inhaled pot was. Just as you know absolutely nothing arthanyel and just put forth made up fantasies and complete lies.
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I love it - you are saying your opinion and Faux News propaganda is more accurate that a professional's primary skill set?
7eleven. the coroner is a DOCTOR whose JOB IT IS to do this analysis, and his in PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT, based on the FACTUAL EVIDENCE, there wasn't enough marijuana in Martin's bloodstream to be a factor, and the amount was consistent with someone being exposed to smoke (or smoking) a small amount a couple of days earlier, or consistent with smoking a large amount more than 4 days earlier.
So this is something that is counted as evidence, as opposed to your fantasies which are not.
7eleven, we're not talking about your chiropractor. We are talking about a CORONER whose job is entirely focused on making these kinds of determinations.
And Martin may not even have smoked any himself - it may have been people that he spends time with - in any case, it is NOT RELEVANT.
Also, as slow points out, Zimmerman has a much longer and more violent criminal history than Martin.
by 7luckyseven June 3, 2012 5:43 PM EDT Arthanyel,
There is absolutely no evidence or testimony that Z confronted M by any definition anywhere!!!!!!
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Well, now that you have proven you can't understand English either I understand why you have problems with reality.
Let me try again, and I will try using the smallest words possible.
Zimmerman was following Martin and continued to follow him after being told it was not needed. If Zimmerman had just turned around, nothing would have happened. If Zimmerman had never gotten close to Martin, nothing would have happened. If Zimmerman had never left his car, nothing would have happened.
THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD "confront" is to meet someone face to face (often with an intent of being argumentative, disagreeable, or hostile). Clearly Zimmerman thought Martin was suspicious as he stated EXACTLY THIS to the police dispatcher. and therefore disagreed with his right to walk the street uninterrupted. A strong case can also be made that Zimmerman WAS argumentative, based on his response to Trayvon's reasonable question "Why are you following me?" which was "What are you doing here?". And clearly he got close enough that they met face to face, otherwise there would have been no fight.
Therefore BY DEFINITION Zimmerman confronted Martin. You can't deny it, you can't debate it - is a a definitional fact.
The fact that you cannot even admit THIS small a fact means there is no hope for you at all.
7luckyseven: No different than your claim that Martin should have been home. Do you really think that someone HAS to walk at a "normal" rate if they are afraid that someone with possible ill intent was following them? NOT NECESSARILY!
7eleven, you are completely delusional. I have pointed out the definition of the English word, you claim it doesn't mean what it means. Please post your OWN definition of "confront" and cite a source, try any normal dictionary and you'll see you are just COMPLETELY WRONG.
And NONE of my statement is made up.
Zimmerman followed Martin. FACT. Followed him after being tolds it was not necessary. FACT. Confronted Martin. FACT. If you don't like the LAST fact, go ahead and say the first two are also not facts.
by 7luckyseven June 3, 2012 5:14 PM EDT Arthtanyel,
7 minutes elapsed from the time Z made the first call and said M was passing the clubhouse to where the woman made her call of someone being shot. It is clear for anyone to see on mapquest or Google Earth that the distance traveled by M was only a few hundred feet. Please take the time to look at the facts.
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Apparently you don't know how to use those tools either. I have checked and once again, 7eleven is just spewing propaganda - as usual. The following time stamps are from the official documents.
Zimmerman's first call to the dispatcher on spotting Martin was at 7:11 PM. Martin's girlfriend reports Martin noticing Zimmerman following him at 7:12. Zimmerman ended his call at 7:13, and between 7:13 and 7:16 the fight started. So AT MOST there is a 5 minute gap between his first spotting Martin and the confrontation, and could it be as little as 3 minutes
Now we note that according TO THE MAP, The distance between those the club house and the site of the shooting following the SHORTEST POSSIBLE COURSE is between .1 and .2 miles, or for a normal human being walking without being followed, 3 to 6 minutes.
Therefore, based on REALITY, there was no time for Martin to be "loitering around casing houses" and that, once again, 7eleven is repeating Faux News propaganda instead of actually looking at reality.
Using YOUR OWN measurements, .1 to .2 miles in 528 to 1,056 feet. At a rate of 264 FPM that's 2 to 4 minutes. And the time period in question is 3 to 6 minutes. That is inside the limits of error. And STILL DISPROVES your first statement that it was 7 minutes (it was 34 to 6) And STILL PROVES that Martin did not have time to be "loitering around casing houses" given the time frame.
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Oh, that proof is 7elevens refusal to admit that to "confront" someone you only need to meet them face to face. Since he states repeatedly that Zimmerman never met Martin face to face (because Zimmerman never confronted Martin) he therefore believes none of this EVER HAPPENED.
So 7eleven, if you don't think it happened, why do you keep talking about it?
Therefore Zimmerman confronted Martin, not the opposite.
The political climate, and the times we live in, are against him. His chances of survival and justice are so tiny as to be nearly non-existent...and I'm afraid the people tasked with making fair and impartial decisions regarding this case, lack the moral courage to do so. What we're about to witness is a lynching....21st century style.
Peace.
You're making it embarrassing to be white.
Signed, white guy.
Can we believe him now?
1. I was the one hollowing.
2. I didn't provoke the fight.
3. I didn't call the guy the N word.
4. I didn't start to fight.
The coroner is simply making a conjecture since he has no way of knowing when the last time Martin inhaled pot was. Just as you know absolutely nothing arthanyel and just put forth made up fantasies and complete lies.
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I love it - you are saying your opinion and Faux News propaganda is more accurate that a professional's primary skill set?
7eleven. the coroner is a DOCTOR whose JOB IT IS to do this analysis, and his in PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT, based on the FACTUAL EVIDENCE, there wasn't enough marijuana in Martin's bloodstream to be a factor, and the amount was consistent with someone being exposed to smoke (or smoking) a small amount a couple of days earlier, or consistent with smoking a large amount more than 4 days earlier.
So this is something that is counted as evidence, as opposed to your fantasies which are not.
And Martin may not even have smoked any himself - it may have been people that he spends time with - in any case, it is NOT RELEVANT.
Also, as slow points out, Zimmerman has a much longer and more violent criminal history than Martin.
Arthanyel,
There is absolutely no evidence or testimony that Z confronted M by any definition anywhere!!!!!!
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Well, now that you have proven you can't understand English either I understand why you have problems with reality.
Let me try again, and I will try using the smallest words possible.
Zimmerman was following Martin and continued to follow him after being told it was not needed. If Zimmerman had just turned around, nothing would have happened. If Zimmerman had never gotten close to Martin, nothing would have happened. If Zimmerman had never left his car, nothing would have happened.
THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD "confront" is to meet someone face to face (often with an intent of being argumentative, disagreeable, or hostile). Clearly Zimmerman thought Martin was suspicious as he stated EXACTLY THIS to the police dispatcher. and therefore disagreed with his right to walk the street uninterrupted. A strong case can also be made that Zimmerman WAS argumentative, based on his response to Trayvon's reasonable question "Why are you following me?" which was "What are you doing here?". And clearly he got close enough that they met face to face, otherwise there would have been no fight.
Therefore BY DEFINITION Zimmerman confronted Martin. You can't deny it, you can't debate it - is a a definitional fact.
The fact that you cannot even admit THIS small a fact means there is no hope for you at all.
7eleven, you are completely delusional. I have pointed out the definition of the English word, you claim it doesn't mean what it means. Please post your OWN definition of "confront" and cite a source, try any normal dictionary and you'll see you are just COMPLETELY WRONG.
And NONE of my statement is made up.
Zimmerman followed Martin. FACT. Followed him after being tolds it was not necessary. FACT. Confronted Martin. FACT. If you don't like the LAST fact, go ahead and say the first two are also not facts.
I dare you.
Arthtanyel,
7 minutes elapsed from the time Z made the first call and said M was passing the clubhouse to where the woman made her call of someone being shot. It is clear for anyone to see on mapquest or Google Earth that the distance traveled by M was only a few hundred feet. Please take the time to look at the facts.
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Apparently you don't know how to use those tools either. I have checked and once again, 7eleven is just spewing propaganda - as usual. The following time stamps are from the official documents.
Zimmerman's first call to the dispatcher on spotting Martin was at 7:11 PM. Martin's girlfriend reports Martin noticing Zimmerman following him at 7:12. Zimmerman ended his call at 7:13, and between 7:13 and 7:16 the fight started. So AT MOST there is a 5 minute gap between his first spotting Martin and the confrontation, and could it be as little as 3 minutes
Now we note that according TO THE MAP, The distance between those the club house and the site of the shooting following the SHORTEST POSSIBLE COURSE is between .1 and .2 miles, or for a normal human being walking without being followed, 3 to 6 minutes.
Therefore, based on REALITY, there was no time for Martin to be "loitering around casing houses" and that, once again, 7eleven is repeating Faux News propaganda instead of actually looking at reality.
Using YOUR OWN measurements, .1 to .2 miles in 528 to 1,056 feet. At a rate of 264 FPM that's 2 to 4 minutes. And the time period in question is 3 to 6 minutes. That is inside the limits of error. And STILL DISPROVES your first statement that it was 7 minutes (it was 34 to 6) And STILL PROVES that Martin did not have time to be "loitering around casing houses" given the time frame.