This may seem like a battle between gay marriage proponents and opponents but it is really a battle between rule by the people and rule by the courts. Do the people have the right to make law or are the courts allowed to make law? Put another way, do the people have the right to amend their constitution?
Sorry, the FEDERAL 9th circuit court has ruled that Prop. 8 is inconsistent with the FEDERAL constitution. And no, Californians cannot amend the FEDERAL constitution by approving a STATE initiative. Maybe you should take a remedial civics class.
And civilization in California moves a little closer to the ideals of our nation that ALL ARE CREATED EQUAL. Thank you for this wonderful ruling. By the way, the Mormon Church must be so disappointed with all the funds spent to overturn gay marriage. HA-HA-HA!!!!!!!!
Yet California pays more fed taxes than any other state which are then passed around to all the welfare states (probably your own). Liberalism is what brought you tolerance that created scientists of the highest degree. You would not be sitting there in front of a computer if it were not for liberalism and different thinking. You would still be working the farm 14 hours a day and raping 14 year olds if it were not for "crazy" liberals. Feel free to move to Iran for a few months to see what a country of conservatives is like.
What happend to John Roberts I wander how much pull he has as the cheif justice. I thought he was a Christian if so why did he rule for something that goes against what God wants. Homesexuality is a sin it doesn't need to happen in our country are any other for that matter.
THIS HAS BECOME A NATION WHERE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE HAS NO MEANING ANY LONGER, WHERE THE LOUD VOICE OF A FEW CAN CHANGE THE SOCIAL STRUCTURE OF A NATION AND FORCE THEIR WILL IN THE MAJORITY. WHEN A NATION IS WILLING TO TURN A DEAF EAR TO WHAT THE MAJORITY WANTS, WE MIGHT AS WELL FORGET ABOUT ELECTIONS, REFERENDUMS, CAUCUSES, PRIMARIES, ETC. FOR IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE MAJORITY WANTS, IF SOMEONE IN A MINORITY WANTS THE OPOSSITE, THERE WILL BE A JUDGE SOMEWHERE WILLING TO OVERRULE THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY.
THIS NATION IS THE ARCHITECT OF ITS OWN DOWNFALL AND THE LIBERALS ARE THE ONES GREASING THE SKIDS TO REACH THE CATASTROPHIC END THAT IS QUICKLY APPROACHING.
Changing the social structure? How dare they. I'm sure that same argument was used during the emancipation of the slaves, women's suffrage, and the civil rights era. Society moved forward in a secular country.
you sound like the supporters of segregation and those who didn't want to allow women the vote. You are lieterally spouting off the same nonsense in the persuit of your "dream america". Face it: change is coming for the better, as it has always done.
The "will of the people" cannot be used to deny civil rights under the Constitution to anyone else. The SCOTUS will decide whether or not that's the case here, but I have no doubt that in the long run, they will declare Prop 8 unconstitutional.
Most couples, gay or not, aren't getting married in this country. The whole 'institution of marriage' tends to be a business/ personal decision about reaping health care benefits and a streamlining of finances. Well, that and being on the receiving end of wedding gifts. Support is expressed for this ruling. /there, I left YHVH out the argument
Could ANY of you Conservatives PLEASE just tell me how this effects Me, MY family or MY Community? The Judges were absolutely SPOT ON here. For this NOT to be bigotry someone MUST show how this will harm the Nation of the Community these folks live in. We lived beside a Gay Couple for YEARS, they cared for our Son the hour before we got home for years... nicer people I have never met. These Born again types though.. they are a different story.
Let me ask you a question: Do you believe the court has the right to make law? Or do you believe the people rtain that right?
To answer your question, it does not have any impact upon your own marriage. It may impact your community and/or your family but how they might be affected is unknown at this time. That answer would be the same whether they upheld or overturned the lower court's deciion.
The court is NOT making law here and the "will of the people" in no way supersedes the Constitutional rights of citizens. Whether or not that's the case here will ultimately be determined by the SCOTUS and I have little doubt that they will rule against Prop 8 in the long run.
My partner and I are one of the 18,000 couples who married at San Francisco City Hall in that short 4 month window. It has been a mixed blessing, knowing other same-sex couples haven't been able to enjoy the same rights. Even so, the feds have not recognized our marriage as legal. I am happy that prejudice is being slowly being defeated in favor of equal rights for all.
Completely agree: The only reason that I can see to inform the Gov'mnt is for tax purposes, as well as the few employers that won't allow benefits for the spouse of a "non-traditional" couple.
Thankfully, iPower gives benefits to their employees as well as their spouses - with or without a marriage certificate (but just a utility bill with both names on it).
You ask a good question. Government does not, in my opinion, need to be involved in marriage. It does, however, have a vested interest in issues of property. Since marriages combine property of the participants, the state has an interest in the disposition of said property should the marriage dissolve. However, in my opinion, marriage is not a state institution but a religious one. The state should declare all marriages to be, for purposes of law, civil partnerships.
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Yet California pays more fed taxes than any other state which are then passed around to all the welfare states (probably your own). Liberalism is what brought you tolerance that created scientists of the highest degree. You would not be sitting there in front of a computer if it were not for liberalism and different thinking. You would still be working the farm 14 hours a day and raping 14 year olds if it were not for "crazy" liberals. Feel free to move to Iran for a few months to see what a country of conservatives is like.
WHEN A NATION IS WILLING TO TURN A DEAF EAR TO WHAT THE MAJORITY WANTS, WE MIGHT AS WELL FORGET ABOUT ELECTIONS, REFERENDUMS, CAUCUSES, PRIMARIES, ETC. FOR IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE MAJORITY WANTS, IF SOMEONE IN A MINORITY WANTS THE OPOSSITE, THERE WILL BE A JUDGE SOMEWHERE WILLING TO OVERRULE THE WILL OF THE MAJORITY.
THIS NATION IS THE ARCHITECT OF ITS OWN DOWNFALL AND THE LIBERALS ARE THE ONES GREASING THE SKIDS TO REACH THE CATASTROPHIC END THAT IS QUICKLY APPROACHING.
We don't VOTE on the rights of people.
/there, I left YHVH out the argument
To answer your question, it does not have any impact upon your own marriage. It may impact your community and/or your family but how they might be affected is unknown at this time. That answer would be the same whether they upheld or overturned the lower court's deciion.
Thankfully, iPower gives benefits to their employees as well as their spouses - with or without a marriage certificate (but just a utility bill with both names on it).