Is it possible that this survey shows that 30 years of Reaganomics has hurt the USA? That "trickle-down" voodoo economics is a sham perpetrated by the rich for the rich? The rich are getting way richer while the country swirls around the drain. Maybe they can employ more poor people as security guards...
Mortar1SG29: "Depression? Obviously you dont know the meaning of the term. We are not YET in a depression."
Maybe not you and the mouse in your pocket, but certainly many of the working poor today, living paycheck to paycheck while trying to make ends meet, and especially those that have lost their jobs, their homes and used all their savings while looking for another job in this terrible market.
You truly are an unchristian-like person that certainly does not warrant any respect in the least! Take your utter hatred with you as you slither back underneath the rock from which you crawled out from!
I really don't have a dog in this hunt so to speak. I have worked my time in a good Union Shop, Retired with a fully insured Pension Plan with Medical. I have enough from those years of work to see me through the rest of my life. I can only tell you what it was like to live in a Nation with the Highest Standard of Living in the World. I can only tell you what Liberals and Conservatives told us when We switched from the Demand Side Economic Model we used to CREATE that Worlds Highest Standard of Living to Trickle Down Economics. What you do with that Information is totally up to you. I would say though, when you look at a TEN YEAR Snap shot of the conditions and find the Middle Class pretty much wiped out, when you find 1 in every 2 people in the Nation, that HAD the WORLDS Largest Middle Class before you made that change, living in or near poverty, it doesn't take a genius to figure out you have made a Wrong Turn. A VERY BIG Wrong turn.
Why haven't they passed the tax cut? Because republicans want to attach a fricken pipeline to it?
But don't worry its not over! ; )
Like Obama said "Don't Leave Town!" LOL!
Mortar1SG29, YOU say you present facts? Well DAZZLE me Spuds. Give me ALL the times over the last THREE Decades that we have seen the AMERICAN Standard of LIVING go up under Trickle Down Economics. Give me ONE month when we have seen the MIDDLE Class INCREASE under Trickle Down. Let's have some FACTS here okay??
Mortar1SG29: "By the way, I come on here and present facts"
Sorry, but your arrogant and belligerent attacks on others should never be misconstrued as "facts" by anyone -- just another 3rd grade bully with bad manners and no factual content.
the dogmatic nature of your arguments are not factual they are a belief system that deserves to be met with hostility , trickle down is a busted myth. we are going to pull down this temple decide for yourself if you are going to be inside or out when it comes down
I am not surprised. Look at the GOP, both in Congress and on the campaign trail. Everything they say and do makes the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The GOP are the puppets of Wall Street, the Koch Brothers, and foreign lobbyists, including the Canadians. If the GOP wins, 1 % will own everything, and the 99 % will be destitute. Look at any free market economy in sub-Saharan Africa and you will see your future.
If we want to save the Middle Class, we must fire the GOP. Re-elect Obama and elect a Congress that will work with him not against him.
ARNOII: "Both parties have no clue! Our present administration has not prosecuted those CEO's who caused this DEPRESSION. It is not just one party."
===== snewsom2997: by ARNOII---What laws did they break, and what evidence does the government have, stupidity is not illegal, and it wasn't just the CEO's, it was the people who paid too much for a house" =====
There's plenty of evidence showing fraud, forgery, and other things like misleading investors in mortgage investments for larger profits. Just a couple of weeks ago, a federal judge threw out a $285 million settlement between Citigroup and the Securities and Exchange Commission, saying the proposed settlement was "neither reasonable, nor fair, nor adequate, nor in the public interest." Judge Rakoff wrote that the SEC "has a duty, inherent in its statutory mission, to see that the truth emerges; and if it fails to do so, this Court must not, in the name of deference or convenience, grant judicial enforcement to the agency's contrivances."
Citing the need for more openness in the financial markets, Manhattan Judge Jed Rakoff rejected an agreement that would have had Citigroup paying penalties while allowing it to continue denying allegations it misled investors about a mortgage investment.
The SEC had charged Citigroup for selling a $1 billion mortgage-linked collateralized debt obligation, Class V Funding III, in 2007 as the housing market was beginning to collapse, and then betting against the transaction to make $160 million while other investors lost money.
Judge Rakoff set a trial date of July 16, 2012.
=====
Your typical republican talking points of "the people who paid too much for a house," is the usual fox/dittohead-speak of trying to blame others when it was clearly a financial sector out of control, due to excessive deregulation, and lack of oversight by the Fed, SEC and the bush administration.
Instead of spewing nothing but ignorant talking points, read this:
WALL STREET AND THE FINANCIAL CRISIS: Anatomy of a Financial Collapse
United States Senate PERMANENT SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
Our criminal justice system surely protects the wealthiest Americans, and the well-connected Greedy One Percent on Wall Street, will most likely skate on most of their fraud and abuse in this financial sector implosion.
Mortar1SG29: Sky has absolutely no clue. It is like your 80 year old grandfather. He'll sit around and rant about stuff, but you just sit there and say "that's nice grandpa." And when he is done, you go "what in the world was he talking about?'
Actually, you're no different but from the other end of the spectrum, a little kid in the 3rd grade, only here to bully others with your arrogant and ridiculous attack posts, only meant to belittle and demean others on the school playground. You are also clueless.
We'll just say to you, "that's nice little johnny, now go 'try' to play nicely with the other 3rd graders, so we don't have to hear you."
Wow, you poor thing. You arent even close to the truth.
But at least you agreed with me about Sky! Thanks.
By the way, I come on here and present facts, unlike Sky. And most of the time it appears, unlike you. In Sky's case, after repeatedly being shown the facts, he still drones on about his fantasies. That is why we hit him as hard as we do.
Yes, and apparently only looking for posters that will agree with his far-right libertarian extremist views, which attack the working poor and those below the poverty level, just for his jollies in a sick and unchristian-like way! His karma will undoubtedly come back and kick his butt in triplicate.
Both parties have no clue! Our present administration has not prosecuted those CEO's who caused this DEPRESSION. It is not just one party. We need changes that can't come from either of the present parties.
Actually, your issue is with government, not with Supplyside Economics.
And as long as we keep electing the Democrat and Republican clowns that keep expanding government, then we will see a further deterioration of liberty and well being.
by ARNOII---What laws did they break, and what evidence does the government have, stupidity is not illegal, and it wasn't just the CEO's, it was the people who paid too much for a house, the people who didn't read the contract, they had a hand in it as well. Investment is gambling, don't gamble money you cannot afford to lose.
"And as long as we keep electing the Democrat and Republican clowns that keep expanding government, then we will see a further deterioration of liberty and well being."
And you're suggesting we elect further to the right, libertarian extremist clowns, which would 'try' to eliminate all entitlements while expanding the military-industrial complex even farther, and surely increase that 50% in poverty, to at least 75-80% in poverty!
snewsom2997, No but Government Policies sure can! ESPECIALLY Government TAX POLICIES. LOOK at the reality. LOOK at the facts. When we STARTED Voodoo we had the HIGHEST Standard of LIVING in the World. You don't have to be super intelligent to figure this out.
Mortar1SG29, again Dazzle all of us! We KNOW what we HAD when we bought into Supply Side Economics. We KNOW what we were PROMISED if we bought into it.. we were told that we'd see Trickle Down benefit us so much that our Living Standards would be IMPROVED. We were told that Trickle Down would create all these great new jobs.. WHERE are they? We were told that Trickle Down would IMPROVE our lives with all the great new investments in AMERICA.. where is it?
What it took to make it 30 years ago is no longer the case today, working hard isn't enough, billions of Chinese and Indians can work hard and for a fraction of the price. In order not to be poor you have to do something billions of Chinese and Indians cannot do.
snewsom2997, TRUE and they can work BECAUSE Working American's went into plants and mills during World War II and out produced EVERYONE. Their reward? To be placed in DIRECT competition with people making LESS in a day than they make in an HOUR. That's not right and should NEVER have been allowed to happen.
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"Depression? Obviously you dont know the meaning of the term. We are not YET in a depression."
Maybe not you and the mouse in your pocket, but certainly many of the working poor today, living paycheck to paycheck while trying to make ends meet, and especially those that have lost their jobs, their homes and used all their savings while looking for another job in this terrible market.
You truly are an unchristian-like person that certainly does not warrant any respect in the least! Take your utter hatred with you as you slither back underneath the rock from which you crawled out from!
Because republicans want to attach a fricken pipeline to it?
But don't worry its not over! ; )
Like Obama said "Don't Leave Town!" LOL!
Sorry, but your arrogant and belligerent attacks on others should never be misconstrued as "facts" by anyone -- just another 3rd grade bully with bad manners and no factual content.
If we want to save the Middle Class, we must fire the GOP. Re-elect Obama and elect a Congress that will work with him not against him.
"Both parties have no clue! Our present administration has not prosecuted those CEO's who caused this DEPRESSION. It is not just one party."
=====
snewsom2997:
by ARNOII---What laws did they break, and what evidence does the government have, stupidity is not illegal, and it wasn't just the CEO's, it was the people who paid too much for a house"
=====
There's plenty of evidence showing fraud, forgery, and other things like misleading investors in mortgage investments for larger profits.
Just a couple of weeks ago, a federal judge threw out a $285 million settlement between Citigroup and the Securities and Exchange Commission, saying the proposed settlement was "neither reasonable, nor fair, nor adequate, nor in the public interest." Judge Rakoff wrote that the SEC "has a duty, inherent in its statutory mission, to see that the truth emerges; and if it fails to do so, this Court must not, in the name of deference or convenience, grant judicial enforcement to the agency's contrivances."
Citing the need for more openness in the financial markets, Manhattan Judge Jed Rakoff rejected an agreement that would have had Citigroup paying penalties while allowing it to continue denying allegations it misled investors about a mortgage investment.
The SEC had charged Citigroup for selling a $1 billion mortgage-linked collateralized debt obligation, Class V Funding III, in 2007 as the housing market was beginning to collapse, and then betting against the transaction to make $160 million while other investors lost money.
Judge Rakoff set a trial date of July 16, 2012.
=====
Your typical republican talking points of "the people who paid too much for a house," is the usual fox/dittohead-speak of trying to blame others when it was clearly a financial sector out of control, due to excessive deregulation, and lack of oversight by the Fed, SEC and the bush administration.
Instead of spewing nothing but ignorant talking points, read this:
WALL STREET AND THE FINANCIAL CRISIS:
Anatomy of a Financial Collapse
United States Senate
PERMANENT SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS
Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/Financial_Crisis/FinancialCrisisReport.pdf
SEC sues 6 ex-Fannie, Freddie execs over subprime mortgages
I certainly hope we see many more CEO's from the Wall Street Greedy One Percenters, go down over their fraud and abuse of the system!
Sky has absolutely no clue. It is like your 80 year old grandfather. He'll sit around and rant about stuff, but you just sit there and say "that's nice grandpa." And when he is done, you go "what in the world was he talking about?'
Actually, you're no different but from the other end of the spectrum, a little kid in the 3rd grade, only here to bully others with your arrogant and ridiculous attack posts, only meant to belittle and demean others on the school playground. You are also clueless.
We'll just say to you, "that's nice little johnny, now go 'try' to play nicely with the other 3rd graders, so we don't have to hear you."
But at least you agreed with me about Sky! Thanks.
By the way, I come on here and present facts, unlike Sky. And most of the time it appears, unlike you. In Sky's case, after repeatedly being shown the facts, he still drones on about his fantasies. That is why we hit him as hard as we do.
Maybe we should go easy on the old guy!
"Mortar is just trolling."
Yes, and apparently only looking for posters that will agree with his far-right libertarian extremist views, which attack the working poor and those below the poverty level, just for his jollies in a sick and unchristian-like way! His karma will undoubtedly come back and kick his butt in triplicate.
And as long as we keep electing the Democrat and Republican clowns that keep expanding government, then we will see a further deterioration of liberty and well being.
And you're suggesting we elect further to the right, libertarian extremist clowns, which would 'try' to eliminate all entitlements while expanding the military-industrial complex even farther, and surely increase that 50% in poverty, to at least 75-80% in poverty!