buying a new car every year is addictive and can be quite harmful to the economics of ones family. the real question is the one who smokes pot considered a social pariah and do they indulge in actual negative behaviour as a result of this stigma? the real determinate is can the "establishment" make more money for its purposes, less expenses, with the legalization of this harmless drug. attorneys/judges/clerks/police make plenty as is and this tends to perpetuate illegal status for marijuana, now the economic situation in the country calls for a big change ahd pot will serve well.
Marijuana should be decriminalized and made legal. Politicians enjoy politicizing this issue all the time. They just can't accept the fact that pot is totally safe. I've been smoking pot for 47 years now and it hasn't hurt me at all. My doctor has even given me a clean bill of health and I don't even have COPD. Marijuana has a lot of medicinal cures as well and has been used to cure various illnesses for thousands of years. Those who say otherwise are just full of crap
"We have a philosophical question if potheads should be able to [use marijuana], and they sort of already can," he said. "It's not really that illegal right now. And I think having society saying this is something you shouldn't do, but we don't throw the book at you when you do it, is sort of a socially optimal policy."
Excuse me? How can it be optimal policy when people get mugged in the street when they go to purchase their desired product? Or have their possessions stripped from them by the police and forced to pay a fine for something that's supposedly "de facto legal." And how many Americans are disenfranchised simply because of drug possession? What kind of free society do we live in?
And you wouldn't call a person who enjoys a beer on occasion an alcoholic, so don't refer to all who use cannabis (marijuana) as potheads. (you butt head)
They also pass out needles to prevent spreading of diseases from heroin. They have blue lights in the bathrooms to prevent public use of heroin. They have police protect prostitutes, and each one of them under go monthly exams for diseases. To most Europeans, a joint is no more a bigger deal than drinking a beer. The Netherlands has a lower marijuana usage than America, and all of Europe has a far less overdose deaths and communicable disease from the use of heroin.
Don't think so? You should look up Rick Steves... the travel guy from PBS.
It isn't if it is better or worse... it is about HARM REDUCTION. We Americans are ignorant if you think we can stop people from doing something they WANT TO DO.
Decriminalize cannabis and legalize industrial hemp.
apple2pie, You are sooo naive. I've been smoking pot for 45 years and I have NEVER been diagnosed COPD at all. you're so full of ****. You're just one of those people who are so ignorant about pot.
And remember, all that violence in Mexico is largely about marijuana. The 'cartels' report 60-70% of their profits are from pot. Another study found 2/3 the grass in America is from Mexico.
Would America spend 11,000 lives to fight a war over grass in.....Cuba? or Canada? or the Philippines ?
C'mon, let's stop facilitating genocide in Mexico. Where is your conscience, America ??
Are we free men or are we slaves? Do I own my body or does the state own my body? That is what the issue of drugs comes down to.
Joel Hay is another vow breaking doctor. Doctors take a vow to do no harm. What is more harmful to the patient:
arresting, fining, and imprisoning people who use substances the doctor thinks they shouldn't OR letting the patient decide for themselves what is put into their own bodies (patients are still allowed too refuse treatment last time I checked)
Are we free or are we slaves, what's it gonna it be?
BTW- I have a masters degree, a verified IQ of 146, a job that pays a generous income, responsibility in all my affairs and finances, and I LOVE TO GET HIGH. Oh, and- I dont drink alcohol outside of the occasional beer or wine, use any prescription meds, or use any illicit drugs. I am not the exception.
You greatly need to find something more constructive to do with your time. But hey- keep propping up the stereotypes, it seems to be all you are good at.
Out of the current 187 posts you have posted 57 times! Roughly A THIRD of the comments here are from you- any chance you are on meds for Obsessive Compulsive Disorder? ....OR are you affiliated with an organization that supports prohibition? I strongly suspect the latter. At any rate you definitely seem to have an incredible amount of time on your hands to have been posting 57! comments from 8:30 am to after 6pm with such diligence. I guess there has to be SOMEBODY to respond to the overwhelming number of posters supporting legalization.
So much to say about something you yourself have posted you have NEVER tried. You did say that if it was legal you would probably try it to see what the fuss is about. In another post you say you live in Holland-- where you can smoke it for all intents and purposes "legally", yet you haven't. IF you are in Holland as you claim, I'm curious how the timestamps of all your posts correspond to a US time zone and not one that is hours ahead of New York. -- Or do you frequently stay up all night in Holland to stay glued to this message board when you have an alleged 2 kids to take care of. GREAT PARENTING.
Your story doesn't add up, and you spend too much time ignoring factual arguments choosing instead to vomit your own repeatedly. It kind of makes me think you are somebody with a vested interest in the continued prohibition of one of the safest substances ever ingested by mankind(I'd say outside of food and water, but both of those can kill you), but ill let that go. It doesn't matter anyway as you are on the losing side of this argument. It is simply a matter of time.
You do so much talking for someone with zero personal experience of the matter. At least most all of the people in here that support legalization know what hell they are talking about, by experience.
57 posts? You seem so uptight that you could probably use a joint or two.
But hey, I used to be exactly like you- my mind just could not justify the use of this plant. Then, I started traveling around the world, opening my eyes to what was really happening outside of the indoctrination I received growing up in my conservative christian city. I tried pot a few times. I didn't like it at first, but doing it socially I began to realize that my notions on the matter were completely backwards, as yours are. But herein lies the crux when it comes to this legalization argument. I DONT CARE that you can't wrap your head around why pot should be legal. You, however, with 57 posts at last count, are so intent on getting your view across, even though nobody is really listening to you. The thing is, no matter what the current laws say, provided I am not harming anyone with my actions, it is my RIGHT as a SOVEREIGN HUMAN BEING to put whatever substance I choose into MY OWN body. You can spout off all you want, but NOTHING will change this fact, and this is the reason why there is so much cannabis use in this country despite FAILED prohibition.
Considering you have posted 57 times today, consistently ignoring the arguments that could correct your flawed thinking, I am sure it would be nothing short of stupidity to try to reason with you, so, I'll offer up a few core-beliefs instead:
1-Keeping things illegal for adults because kids may use it is stupid. Particularly when regulation will keep it better out of their hands.
2-Using the DUI argument to keep cannabis away from ADULTS is stupid too- Potential DUI's is NOT a strong enough argument to keep it away from the MAJORITY OF RESPONSIBLE ADULTS who want to partake.
3-Puritanical and moral arguments. You CANNOT legislate morality. I find NOTHING wrong with getting high. Just because YOU do is NOT enough justification for keeping ME from doing it. If I had my way we'd make all your invisible sky gods with unqualified promises of some afterlife illegal. Good thing for you, eh?
4- It can be taxed. Most domestic growers would gladly do it legally and pay for an annual permit instead of facing all the serious repercussions of getting raided. They would be registered and would transfer their product to dispensaries where it would be taxed by the unit.
I know this will fall on deaf ears, and that you will excitedly scribble your post # 58, 65, 77, or whatever number you are up to at the moment back at me with another inane argument that you think is perfect. Knowing that I'm talking to a brick wall who won't see the truth in my words, it is time for me to ---OOOOOOH, go smoke a bowl, finish the the book I'm reading on conceptual physics, and eat some health food.
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Excuse me? How can it be optimal policy when people get mugged in the street when they go to purchase their desired product? Or have their possessions stripped from them by the police and forced to pay a fine for something that's supposedly "de facto legal." And how many Americans are disenfranchised simply because of drug possession? What kind of free society do we live in?
And you wouldn't call a person who enjoys a beer on occasion an alcoholic, so don't refer to all who use cannabis (marijuana) as potheads. (you butt head)
Don't think so? You should look up Rick Steves... the travel guy from PBS.
It isn't if it is better or worse... it is about HARM REDUCTION. We Americans are ignorant if you think we can stop people from doing something they WANT TO DO.
Decriminalize cannabis and legalize industrial hemp.
You are sooo naive. I've been smoking pot for 45 years and I have NEVER been diagnosed COPD at all. you're so full of ****. You're just one of those people who are so ignorant about pot.
And remember, all that violence in Mexico is largely about marijuana. The 'cartels' report 60-70% of their profits are from pot. Another study found 2/3 the grass in America is from Mexico.
Would America spend 11,000 lives to fight a war over grass in.....Cuba? or Canada? or the Philippines ?
C'mon, let's stop facilitating genocide in Mexico. Where is your conscience, America ??
you are not a mother of two- you are certainly either a cop or in the DEA- NO DOUBT. you are so full of it. pull your head out!!
Joel Hay is another vow breaking doctor. Doctors take a vow to do no harm. What is more harmful to the patient:
arresting, fining, and imprisoning people who use substances the doctor thinks they shouldn't
OR
letting the patient decide for themselves what is put into their own bodies (patients are still allowed too refuse treatment last time I checked)
Are we free or are we slaves, what's it gonna it be?
You greatly need to find something more constructive to do with your time.
But hey- keep propping up the stereotypes, it seems to be all you are good at.
I counted 57 responses from itoldyouso!!!!!
Good job!
Out of the current 187 posts you have posted 57 times! Roughly A THIRD of the comments here are from you- any chance you are on meds for Obsessive Compulsive Disorder? ....OR are you affiliated with an organization that supports prohibition? I strongly suspect the latter. At any rate you definitely seem to have an incredible amount of time on your hands to have been posting 57! comments from 8:30 am to after 6pm with such diligence. I guess there has to be SOMEBODY to respond to the overwhelming number of posters supporting legalization.
So much to say about something you yourself have posted you have NEVER tried.
You did say that if it was legal you would probably try it to see what the fuss is about. In another post you say you live in Holland-- where you can smoke it for all intents and purposes "legally", yet you haven't. IF you are in Holland as you claim, I'm curious how the timestamps of all your posts correspond to a US time zone and not one that is hours ahead of New York. -- Or do you frequently stay up all night in Holland to stay glued to this message board when you have an alleged 2 kids to take care of. GREAT PARENTING.
Your story doesn't add up, and you spend too much time ignoring factual arguments choosing instead to vomit your own repeatedly. It kind of makes me think you are somebody with a vested interest in the continued prohibition of one of the safest substances ever ingested by mankind(I'd say outside of food and water, but both of those can kill you), but ill let that go. It doesn't matter anyway as you are on the losing side of this argument. It is simply a matter of time.
You do so much talking for someone with zero personal experience of the matter. At least most all of the people in here that support legalization know what hell they are talking about, by experience.
57 posts? You seem so uptight that you could probably use a joint or two.
But hey, I used to be exactly like you- my mind just could not justify the use of this plant. Then, I started traveling around the world, opening my eyes to what was really happening outside of the indoctrination I received growing up in my conservative christian city. I tried pot a few times. I didn't like it at first, but doing it socially I began to realize that my notions on the matter were completely backwards, as yours are. But herein lies the crux when it comes to this legalization argument. I DONT CARE that you can't wrap your head around why pot should be legal. You, however, with 57 posts at last count, are so intent on getting your view across, even though nobody is really listening to you. The thing is, no matter what the current laws say, provided I am not harming anyone with my actions, it is my RIGHT as a SOVEREIGN HUMAN BEING to put whatever substance I choose into MY OWN body. You can spout off all you want, but NOTHING will change this fact, and this is the reason why there is so much cannabis use in this country despite FAILED prohibition.
Considering you have posted 57 times today, consistently ignoring the arguments that could correct your flawed thinking, I am sure it would be nothing short of stupidity to try to reason with you, so, I'll offer up a few core-beliefs instead:
1-Keeping things illegal for adults because kids may use it is stupid. Particularly when regulation will keep it better out of their hands.
2-Using the DUI argument to keep cannabis away from ADULTS is stupid too- Potential DUI's is NOT a strong enough argument to keep it away from the MAJORITY OF RESPONSIBLE ADULTS who want to partake.
3-Puritanical and moral arguments. You CANNOT legislate morality. I find NOTHING wrong with getting high. Just because YOU do is NOT enough justification for keeping ME from doing it. If I had my way we'd make all your invisible sky gods with unqualified promises of some afterlife illegal. Good thing for you, eh?
4- It can be taxed. Most domestic growers would gladly do it legally and pay for an annual permit instead of facing all the serious repercussions of getting raided. They would be registered and would transfer their product to dispensaries where it would be taxed by the unit.
I know this will fall on deaf ears, and that you will excitedly scribble your post # 58, 65, 77, or whatever number you are up to at the moment back at me with another inane argument that you think is perfect. Knowing that I'm talking to a brick wall who won't see the truth in my words, it is time for me to ---OOOOOOH, go smoke a bowl, finish the the book I'm reading on conceptual physics, and eat some health food.