Comments on: Club That Ousted Blacks May Let Them In

But State Agency, U.S. Senator Threaten Civil Rights Investigation of Overwhelmingly White Pa. Swim Club

[skyk-2009]

I don't know what all the complaining is about. The LAW is the LAW and it's been around for way over 30 years. When the Club agreed to allow those kids to swim in that pool, they should have been allowed to do so regardless of the color of their skin. The Law in this case is so clear that we should just allow the Justice Officials proceed with their jobs and let the Club deal with this in Civil Courts.

[thomderr1]

You are so correct.
My family is now a mix of Irish, Native American, German, Hispanic and Polish blood. Our jaws dropped when we read the original report. The new acts of the club are nothing more than, "Closing the barn door after the horses got out!"

[skyk-2009]

No rhs648, I have SEEN a police state... Alabama in 1963? THAT was a POLICE STATE! That was a State where Nazi's felt right at home, citizens were dragged from their burning homes in the middle of the night and lynched, bands of armed self appointed vigilante road around administering the STATES idea of justice at will, fully backed by the Government and police. Now THAT was a POLICE STATE.

[skyk-2009]

CarlR609, To compare what YOU think would have happened to a bunch of White Kids, with NO evidence of ANYTHING such as that EVER happening to a group of White Kids shows YOU ignorance. To answer your question NO it would NOT have happened to a bunch of White Kids and if it had you'd have had a bunch of screaming parents at the door wanting to know WHY their kids were denied the service they'd paid for. Time for YOU to put away the Hood and Sheet, America has changed.

[airboatboy]

Hey, come on, let all the kids swim in the pool! White kids swim in the front, black kids swim in the back!

[brianbwb-2009]

A part you missed son, the victims also paid their fees, $1950, in full. Since the club originally accepted the money, for the express purpose of letting the victims use the pool, then the subsequent cancellation of the delivery of the paid for services, based solely on the ethnicity of the victims, is indeed illegal.

No, it is not illegal to be a racist, as it is also not illegal to boycott, demonstrate, and otherwise apply the appropriate civil and legal sanctions to those who are known to be so.

Shout it from the rooftops if you are a racist, I have no problem with that, but don't then turn around and whine that you are adversely affected in civil society as a consequence. After all, freedom of speech is finally becoming welded inextricably to responsibility of speech.

I invite all racists to unmask, and state their racist views, not as anonymous cowards, but as named individuals, those with the courage of their convictions.

After all, in war, it is always easier to defeat the enemy if the enemy is not camouflaged.

[Newster1]

Wo cares? if a PRIVATE club or business doesn't want you, for whatever reason, go spend your hard-earned money and time at one who DOES!

[skyk-2009]

No because that is NOT the law and NO club or business for that matter should be above the Law.

[toldyouso29]

by tmittelstaed July 12, 2009 10:38 PM PDT
I hope that the club allows the camp to swim for free, that would be a nice gesture and I'm sure the camp could use the money better than the swim club. While I understand the apprehension of the children my guess would be that the day the children come back that all of the non-racists in the swim club would be there to make absolutely sure that the racists in the club put a sock in it. I would think that the camp bringing the children back to the club would be a fantastic lesson in teaching the children that it is important to stand up against racists.


Are you a white person?

I polled at least 10 blacks the other day about your comment that being asked about WElfare was racist and disrespectful and found NONE who did not think it was racist. In fact, they said it was one of the many stupid things even well meaning white did to them--that, and expect them to know famous blacks or ask them to sing or dance (because everyone knows blacks do those things so well) all are denigrating--because they reduce a person down to their skin color and the expectations for that skin color--now you make the comment that the blacks should get free swimming--why? so whites can say they are moochers. it does not show the price of racism--it plays into the same stereotypes that angers whites and justifies their resistance to affirmative action and other attempts to level the playing field and it underlines the concept of shiftless, scheming blacks, who make up stories looking for a handout.

only a white person or a very indoctrinated sort of Clarence Thomas personality would be thinking that way--are you one of those?

[toldyouso29]

It would be fitting, that no matter what they offer..NO minorities touch them with a 10 foot pole--that way, when they try to show that they are not racists--they find it hard to find tokens willing to front for them.

The move was advised by the club's attorney and its sole purpose was to soften the investigation by showing the "willingness of the club to negotiate and meet the people halfway. It is a joke and a sham--it fools no one. I would not allow any kids of mine to go there and would pull them out of the camp if the director was so weak and stupid that she allowed her camp and the kids from that camp to be used this way.

They made this bed--let their racist butts lay in it--and if they don't want to "appear" so racist when their excuses for their acts are found to be lies--let them find the going hard to redeem themselves. the campers owe them nothing and certainly, what fool wants to go to a place where it has been made blatantly clear that they are not wanted? What is the point to that? As for "free swimming" stop trying to get stuff for free--blacks are prouder than that and are NOT the freeloading schemers that racist whites like to say that they are.

[toldyouso29]

Bad idea--because people will use that to say the minorities made up the accusation to get special favors. No self respecting black person would WANT to go there after the way they acted. Not even if they Paid them to return. Have more self respect. To want "freebies" is sad and pathetic it is a bad as people who always complain at restaurants or always seem to find a 'hair' in their food--after a while they become cariacature for being moochers or free loaders. Many already think of blacks that way--so instead of capitalizing on the obvious self serving gesture of the club, the campers' spokesperson should politely tell them to stick it where the sun don't shine.

don't become fodder for whites to claim all the whining and hype was for moochers who wanted a freebie. At some point, some blacks need to learn the games that are constantly being played on them and stop being pawns. They should swim somewhere else and let the club take their lumps from the investigators and find their tokens somewhere else. Because you can bet that if the people were hostile before, inside they are seething and still are--

For new blacks stupid enough to attend--don't eat or drink anything there and if someone leaves their clothing unattended--immediately vacate the area lest they try to set you up and say you stole something so their racism about all blacks being theives is validated. it is time for blacks to stop being so easy to manipulate and set up.

NO--to the pool offer--because though the offer may now have changed the attitudes and people making it have not--don't lower yourselves to play that game with them.

[Stormy500]

"Club That Ousted Blacks May Let Them In"

That's mighty white of them.

I hope the parents give them a resounding NO.

[toldyouso29]

It would be fitting, that no matter what they offer..NO minorities touch them with a 10 foot pole--that way, when they try to show that they are not racists--they find it hard to find tokens willing to front for them.

The move was advised by the club's attorney and its sole purpose was to soften the investigation by showing the "willingness of the club to negotiate and meet the people halfway. It is a joke and a sham--it fools no one. I would not allow any kids of mine to go there and would pull them out of the camp if the director was so weak and stupid that she allowed her camp and the kids from that camp to be used this way.

They made this bed--let their racist butts lay in it--and if they don't want to "appear" so racist when their excuses for their acts are found to be lies--let them find the going hard to redeem themselves. the campers owe them nothing and certainly, what fool wants to go to a place where it has been made blatantly clear that they are not wanted? What is the point to that? As for "free swimming" stop trying to get stuff for free--blacks are prouder than that and are NOT the freeloading schemers that racist whites like to say that they are.

[tmittelstaed]

I hope that the club allows the camp to swim for free, that would be a nice gesture and I'm sure the camp could use the money better than the swim club. While I understand the apprehension of the children my guess would be that the day the children come back that all of the non-racists in the swim club would be there to make absolutely sure that the racists in the club put a sock in it. I would think that the camp bringing the children back to the club would be a fantastic lesson in teaching the children that it is important to stand up against racists.

[toldyouso29]

Bad idea--because people will use that to say the minorities made up the accusation to get special favors. No self respecting black person would WANT to go there after the way they acted. Not even if they Paid them to return. Have more self respect. To want "freebies" is sad and pathetic it is a bad as people who always complain at restaurants or always seem to find a 'hair' in their food--after a while they become cariacature for being moochers or free loaders. Many already think of blacks that way--so instead of capitalizing on the obvious self serving gesture of the club, the campers' spokesperson should politely tell them to stick it where the sun don't shine.

don't become fodder for whites to claim all the whining and hype was for moochers who wanted a freebie. At some point, some blacks need to learn the games that are constantly being played on them and stop being pawns. They should swim somewhere else and let the club take their lumps from the investigators and find their tokens somewhere else. Because you can bet that if the people were hostile before, inside they are seething and still are--

For new blacks stupid enough to attend--don't eat or drink anything there and if someone leaves their clothing unattended--immediately vacate the area lest they try to set you up and say you stole something so their racism about all blacks being theives is validated. it is time for blacks to stop being so easy to manipulate and set up.

NO--to the pool offer--because though the offer may now have changed the attitudes and people making it have not--don't lower yourselves to play that game with them.

[tmittelstaed]

"...But since it was not unanimous--we can take that to mean that some would rather lose their club entirely than ever share it with minorities...."

That is almost certainly the case. In the last article from CBS on this I blogged that it is likely a vocal minority who pushed the club director into closing the pool. Looks like I was right.

[Solarrays247]

Amen! You certainly said it much better than I ever could! :=)

[Solarrays247]

CarlR609, political correctness run wild? No....this is not "political correctness" on my part.....I MEANT every word! I believe in equality for all, even poor bigots like you! You are entitled to hate anyone as much as you want. This is a free country after all.

[toldyouso29]

Liar. Exxon, Crackerbarrel, and Walmart have all faced multi pronged lawsuits for racism--last we heard they were all still in business. Stop hiding behind a post--that you would even apologize for this says more about you and your own mindset than your professed adoration of Sarah Palin ever did. LOL

[toldyouso29]

They may let them back in? Well maybe the kids and their camp have too much self respect to return. The Director said why should she submit the kids to the trauma of returning to that place--but then...here comes the PC attorney saying they will give audience...why should they? If the whites want their club to themselves--so be it--but don't take people's money , then mistreat them, then claim there were too many AND the kids changed the complexion of the club.

you betcha--and if the number of kids were not known --then how was the amount to charge reached? As a matter of fact, Alethia Wright released the emails back and forth from her to the club about the number of kids (released to CNN) so the number was known--now they will look into the capacity issue--as for the lying director--a member says they do not presently have any black members and so the "diversity claim is BS) looks like the director is caught in lies left and right
The reason they are offering to let the kids back in is due to their lawyers telling them to do so or face lawsuits and possible closure.

I say, f(8& them and let them fry--as for those who say they have a right to their racist views--sure they do--but the minute they transact with the public, the little racists need to learn to behave like human beings instead of the racial dregs of the white race--if you open your pool to the public for money--then "TRAIN" your members to have manners and keep their ugliness in check or get sued.

I hope they close the club--pool and all, fill in the pool, pave it over and put a plaque there that says "racism destroys more than morale--it took our club and beat us over the head with it. RIP" LMAO

[Solarrays247]

Amen! You certainly said it much better than I ever could! :=)

[gramto8]

if you open your pool to the public for money--then "TRAIN" your members to have manners and keep their ugliness in check or get sued.

by toldyouso29 July 12, 2009 9:41 PM PDT

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we were to a point in our country's history that no one HAD to 'train' anyone to be non-racist? The way things are going, I don't picture us getting there anytime in the next three centuries.

[cantstandit]

I think you all should be allowed to be racist but just remember it is a violation of the interstate commerce law. That is why the FEDS get involved. So Pay up RACISt.

[cantstandit]

I think you all should be allowed to be racist but just remember it is a violation of the interstate commerce law. That is why the FEDS get involved. So Pay up RACISt.

[toldyouso29]

You don't have to "allow" racism. It is inevitable. It is where the weak, confused and economically threatened lash out at anyone or anything different that they fear they must now compete with--the easiest way to single out people to hate is by differences. Then the first group whines about the second group who whines about the first and maybe a 3rd group who whines about the 2nd and 1st group until there are more whiners and hating going on than solutions and compromise.

When you dissect the socioeconomic strata of racists, you find them invariably to have been from the lower eschelons of society who have taken their hatred and mistrust and prejudices with them, no matter how far they have advanced later economically. In other words--you see a racist--you see the dregs of any race--hoping to deflect from their own fears and deficiencies by continually pointing out the differences and problems in others and blaming them for what is wrong in their own world/lives.

[cantstandit]

No one said you could not have racist views. But you don't let kids in to swim and then decide to call them names and insult them. If you do
then you deserve to be punished. I hope they get a big pay day.