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Challenges U.S. Defense of Marriage Act, Says It Unconstitutionally Forces States to Discriminate
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- What about the guy that wants to practise beastiality ?
Shouldn't he have equal rights too ? - Reply to this comment
- by 45ford July 8, 2009 2:30 PM PDT
keep rifling through your nonsensical pile of manure
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Don't get mad because the truth comes out. You do not have to believe it for yourself, but that doesn't make it any less true. Homosexuality is an evil spirit in my opinion. - Reply to this comment
- Having gay children? wow... get real. Where you born gay?
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- Lets see now,same sex marriage allows for two husbands,or two wives,or is it two it,s. So where do we stand. So who and where are
mother and father? All to common a question today isn't it.
Get with it people lets all do the dinosaur dance, lets all do the dinosaur dance,wheeee!!!!! Not even sure if we're people anymore.
For the children. Great-Grandfather - Reply to this comment
- ... and heterosexual couples with no kids will also "die off with no remnant"... so that makes heterosexuality unnatural because they were created to pro-create but for one reason or another they didn't or couldn't... those are gifts from God too right which makes folks aren't entitled to all civil rights because they defied God's intent right?
keep rifling through your nonsensical pile of manure - Reply to this comment
- blog_fever2 Eventually, gay couples will die off with no remnant.... Homosexuality is not natural because they can not pro-create. That is a gift from God. ... LOL. About they only way gay couples would die off is if straight couples stopped having gay children.
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- Correct. Marriage is accepting a covenant in the sight of God... everything else means nothing.
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- cs4466
So you have to be a church member to be married? When did that happen? LOL poor backward fool. What about all these athiests and agnostics that get married? How is that a religious construct? ... Who came up with the idea a marriage first, government or the church. I believe it was the church. That's what makes it a religious construct... you backward fool. - Reply to this comment
- Eventually, gay couples will die off with no remnant.... Homosexuality is not natural because they can not pro-create. That is a gift from God.
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- By your argument cs4466, instead of making a stink about "marriage" it would be more effective to amend the "civil union" definition. I can guarantee you that that will not satisfy homosexuals.... they want the term "married".
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- Untill two gay men can have a child between themselves as well as two women with no help from the opposite sex, there can be NO equality with Heterosexual couples.
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- Eventually, gay couples will die off with no remnant.... Homosexuality is not natural because they can not pro-create. That is a gift from God.
- ... and heterosexual couples with no kids will also "die off with no remnant"... so that makes heterosexuality unnatural because they were created to pro-create but for one reason or another they didn't or couldn't... those are gifts from God too right which makes folks aren't entitled to all civil rights because they defied God's intent right?
keep rifling through your nonsensical pile of manure
- by 45ford July 8, 2009 2:30 PM PDT
keep rifling through your nonsensical pile of manure
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Don't get mad because the truth comes out. You do not have to believe it for yourself, but that doesn't make it any less true. Homosexuality is an evil spirit in my opinion.
- by blog_fever2 July 8, 2009 2:46 PM PDT
Don't get mad because the truth comes out. You do not have to believe it for yourself, but that doesn't make it any less true. Homosexuality is an evil spirit in my opinion.
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And let me guess, you're another one of those who believes that homosexuality can be exorcized too, aren't you?
- So you have to be a church member to be married? When did that happen? LOL poor backward fool. What about all these athiests and agnostics that get married? How is that a religious construct?
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- What is marriage?
Marriage is a unique legal status conferred by and recognized by governments all over the world. It brings with it a host of reciprocal obligations, rights and protections. It is also a cultural institution. No other word has that power and no other status can provide that protection.
Married couples have over 1,400 rights, protections and responsibilities such as:
Social Security benefits upon death, disability or retirement of spouse, as well as benefits for minor children.
Family and Medical Leave protections to care for a new child or a sick or injured family member
Workers' Compensation protections for the family of a worker injured on the job
Access to COBRA insurance benefits so the family doesn't lose health insurance when one spouse is laid off
ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act) protections such as the ability to leave a pension, other than Social Security, to your spouse
Exemptions from penalties on IRA and pension rollovers
Exemptions from estate taxes when a spouse dies
Exemptions from federal income taxes on spouse's health insurance
The right to visit a sick or injured loved one, have a say in life and death matters during hospitalization.
What is a civil union?
A civil union is a legal status granted by a state. The State of Vermont created civil unions in 2000. It provides legal protection to couples at the state law level, but omits federal protections, as well as the dignity, clarity, security and power of the word "marriage".
Civil unions are different from civil marriage and that difference has wide-ranging implications that make the two institutions unequal, such as:
Portability:
Marriages are respected state to state for all purposes but questions remain as to how civil unions will be treated in other states. The two appellate courts that have addressed the issue in Connecticut and Georgia have disregarded them based on the fact that their own states do not grant civil unions.
Federal Benefits:
According to a 1997 General Accounting Office report, civil marriage brings with it at least 1,049 legal protections and responsibilities from the federal government alone. Civil unions bring none of these critical legal protections.
Taxes and Public Benefits for the Family:
Because the federal government does not respect civil unions, a couple with a civil union will be in a kind of limbo with regard to governmental functions performed by both state and federal governments, such as taxation, pension protections, provision of insurance for families, and means-tested programs like Medicaid. Even when states try to provide legal protections, they may be foreclosed from doing so in joint federal/state programs.
Filling Out Forms:
Every day we fill out forms that ask us whether we are married, single, divorced or widowed. People joined in a civil union do not fit in any of those categories. People with civil unions should be able to identify themselves as a single family unit yet misrepresenting oneself on official documents can be considered fraud and can carry potential serious criminal penalties.
Separate and Unequal?Second Class Status:
Even if there were no substantive differences in the way the law treated marriages and civil unions, the fact that a civil union remains a separate status only for gay people represents real and powerful inequality. The United States Constitution requires legal equality for all. Including lesbian and gay couples within existing marriage laws in is the fairest and simplest thing to do.
Ending a Civil Union:
If you are married, you can get divorced in any state in which you are a resident. But if states continue to disregard civil unions, there is no way to end the relationship other than establishing residency in Vermont and filing for dissolution there. This has already created problems for couples who now have no way to terminate their legal agreement. - Reply to this comment
- Let's hope grace continues to protect this nation so we do not end up like Gomorrah.
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- Marriage is a religious construct, not a legal one.
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- You tell the Bible thumpers to go look at the bible, all men are created equal. Well, ever heard of Sodam and Gomorrah? Two civilizations where homosexuality was rampart, was destroyed. Or, how about the non jews that inhabited the Promised Land, they were all executed, women, chidlren, elderly. So...tell the bible thumpers to look at the Bible again. not all people are created equal.
If the Homosexuals really want their rights, they can go to Germany, Germany loves sexual Taboos. - Reply to this comment
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- What is marriage?
Marriage is a unique legal status conferred by and recognized by governments all over the world. It brings with it a host of reciprocal obligations, rights and protections. It is also a cultural institution. No other word has that power and no other status can provide that protection.
Married couples have over 1,400 rights, protections and responsibilities such as:
Social Security benefits upon death, disability or retirement of spouse, as well as benefits for minor children.
Family and Medical Leave protections to care for a new child or a sick or injured family member
Workers' Compensation protections for the family of a worker injured on the job
Access to COBRA insurance benefits so the family doesn't lose health insurance when one spouse is laid off
ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act) protections such as the ability to leave a pension, other than Social Security, to your spouse
Exemptions from penalties on IRA and pension rollovers
Exemptions from estate taxes when a spouse dies
Exemptions from federal income taxes on spouse's health insurance
The right to visit a sick or injured loved one, have a say in life and death matters during hospitalization.
What is a civil union?
A civil union is a legal status granted by a state. The State of Vermont created civil unions in 2000. It provides legal protection to couples at the state law level, but omits federal protections, as well as the dignity, clarity, security and power of the word "marriage".
Civil unions are different from civil marriage and that difference has wide-ranging implications that make the two institutions unequal, such as:
Portability:
Marriages are respected state to state for all purposes but questions remain as to how civil unions will be treated in other states. The two appellate courts that have addressed the issue in Connecticut and Georgia have disregarded them based on the fact that their own states do not grant civil unions.
Federal Benefits:
According to a 1997 General Accounting Office report, civil marriage brings with it at least 1,049 legal protections and responsibilities from the federal government alone. Civil unions bring none of these critical legal protections.
Taxes and Public Benefits for the Family:
Because the federal government does not respect civil unions, a couple with a civil union will be in a kind of limbo with regard to governmental functions performed by both state and federal governments, such as taxation, pension protections, provision of insurance for families, and means-tested programs like Medicaid. Even when states try to provide legal protections, they may be foreclosed from doing so in joint federal/state programs.
Filling Out Forms:
Every day we fill out forms that ask us whether we are married, single, divorced or widowed. People joined in a civil union do not fit in any of those categories. People with civil unions should be able to identify themselves as a single family unit yet misrepresenting oneself on official documents can be considered fraud and can carry potential serious criminal penalties.
Separate and Unequal?Second Class Status:
Even if there were no substantive differences in the way the law treated marriages and civil unions, the fact that a civil union remains a separate status only for gay people represents real and powerful inequality. The United States Constitution requires legal equality for all. Including lesbian and gay couples within existing marriage laws in is the fairest and simplest thing to do.
Ending a Civil Union:
If you are married, you can get divorced in any state in which you are a resident. But if states continue to disregard civil unions, there is no way to end the relationship other than establishing residency in Vermont and filing for dissolution there. This has already created problems for couples who now have no way to terminate their legal agreement.
- By your argument cs4466, instead of making a stink about "marriage" it would be more effective to amend the "civil union" definition. I can guarantee you that that will not satisfy homosexuals.... they want the term "married".
- by blog_fever2 July 8, 2009 2:17 PM PDT
By your argument cs4466, instead of making a stink about "marriage" it would be more effective to amend the "civil union" definition. I can guarantee you that that will not satisfy homosexuals.... they want the term "married".
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Would you be willing to give up the term of "marriage" in regards to federal/state documentation, and go with Civil Unions for all of our great nations citizens?
And leave the term of "marriage" as solely relating to a religious practice?
- What is marriage?
- you're right. there are gay & lesbians who are better people than you for various arbitrary reasons. so for those reasons, you are only entitled to a portion of the civil rights afforded to others.
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- by Yeah-Me July 8, 2009 1:11 PM PDT
OK... take a step back away from your bible, and look at this from the point of view that ALL people are created equal
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That's not true... - Reply to this comment
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- you're right. there are gay & lesbians who are better people than you for various arbitrary reasons. so for those reasons, you are only entitled to a portion of the civil rights afforded to others.
- gijoe: on the side of the devil? keep your imaginary friends and foes out of civil law.
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- Well... If Obama won't start taking a real stnd (beyond these baby steps) on DOMA, I guess it's up to the states to do it for him.
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