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- Posted by Charlieot2 at 9:48 AM : May 1, 2009
Listen, I don't know.....it's not my job to be asking people in the street about their proof of citizenship, it's not my business.....unless they are breaking the law, I don't think anyone should be forcing them to prove their citizenship either.....however, if they are found to be comiting a crime,then their status (ie: documented, illegal, greencard) is questioned.
Posted by Joe-NY-4 at 9:51 AM : May 1, 2009
Then at some level, we agree. Your statement here is the same statement I think most of us would make.
My position is simply that whatever measures we take to control illegal immigration should be considered, logical measures that meet the following criteria:
1) They conform to our Constitution
2) They are guided by logic, not ideology (whether conservative *or* liberal)
3) They are enforceable and effective
4) They do not impose hardships upon legal aliens or citizens
5) They do not deter legal immigration - Reply to this comment
- Most other democratic nations require their citizens to identify themselves before voting, but most of our states do not. Only fourteen states require voters to produce some form of identification
http://www.hoover.org/pubaffairs/dailyreport/archive/2866926.html
Posted by Joe-NY-4 at 9:48 AM : May 1, 2009
So what does this have to do with the fact, that you STILL CANNOT prove Obama's "far left, liberal extremist, agenda"? - Reply to this comment
- should the police be allowed to detain me with a mere suspicion that I might not be a US citizen or legal immigrant?
Posted by Charlieot2
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Exactly, as it should be.
Posted by TheMasses03 at 9:55 AM : May 1, 2009
In Hitler's Germany, or Stalin's Russia maybe, but NOT in America!! - Reply to this comment
- and you DO know that citizenship is not checked or verified by the COUNTY ELECTION COMMISIONER don't you ?
Posted by Joe-NY-4 at 9:42 AM : May 1, 2009
I had to clip and save this one.
This stupidity is LEGENDARY!!!
According to Joe, NO APPLICATION is checked, BY ANY election commissioner, to verify if the applicant is a citizen, or for that matter, dead or alive!!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!! - Reply to this comment
- Official document? It's put out by the Texas Conservative Coalition!
Posted by julesarcher1 at 9:41 AM : May 1, 2009
I laughed when I saw that too!!! - Reply to this comment
- and you DO know that citizenship is not checked or verified by the COUNTY ELECTION COMMISIONER don't you ?
Posted by Joe-NY-4 at 9:42 AM : May 1, 2009
Of course they are.
How stupid are you?
YOUR claim is that they can walk into a county election center, fill out an application, and get a voter registration card WITHOUT the information being verified, correct?
So how would an application being filled out at the DMV, be any different than an application being filled out at city hall or the county election center?
Stupid. I mean this whole thing is just plain dumb.
I can't believe that you think people being registered to vote, is a "far left, extremist, liberal, agenda".
Unbelievably stupid, even by conservative standards. - Reply to this comment
- What do you think?
Posted by Charlieot2 at 9:35 AM : May 1, 2009
What do I think ? I think you are part of the problem.....the mere suggestion that we can't ask illegal invaders to our country about their citizenship status is nonsense.....it happens all the time during police questioning.
Posted by Joe-NY-4 at 9:39 AM : May 1, 2009
Joe,
That didn't even come close to answering the questions...
First of "illegal invaders" have no citizenship status...
My question is how are you going to identify who you want to ask the question of in the first place? What are the limits you would impose on the authorities? I'm an American-born citizen, how far do my Constitution rights go in protecting me?
I am in no way saying that the question shouldn't be asked, I only want your opinion of under what circumstances should we permit the authorities to ask it and what safeguards should be in place (if any). - Reply to this comment
- JulesArcher, Again, more proof of my position
Read page 2, second paragraph. This is an official document
Where it starts with "Applicants who checked yes"
http://www.txccri.org/publications/VoteID.pdf
Posted by Joe-NY-4 at 9:35 AM : May 1, 2009
Official document? It's put out by the Texas Conservative Coalition! - Reply to this comment
- Posted by julesarcher1 at 9:06 AM : May 1, 2009
That's why the forms say, are you a citizen ? or you must sign below that you are.......that is not proof of citizenship......and your bizare notion that they would check this, is naive.
Posted by Joe-NY-4 at 9:13 AM : May 1, 2009
So then, your claim is that they would check th other pieces of information but not that one? What leads you to that decision? What specific proof do you have that tis is how the form is used.
Don't tell me about the way of the world. Saying "This is nothing new.....it has been going on for decades.....I didn't invent this.......are you kidding ? we can't even ask a illegal on the street about his citizen status, without the liberals claiming privacy or immigrant rights" ---- this holds no water.
Is there an accompanying instruction book stating that the proof of citizenship is not required?
Posted by julesarcher1 at 9:17 AM : May 1, 2009
"We can't even ask an illegal on the street about his citizen status..." This statement makes no sense...If someone is an illegal alien, he is not a citizen and thus has no "citizen status".
More importantly...how do you propose to identify someone on the street as an illegal alien? Are you saying that the police (or other authorities should have the ability to stop anyone on the street and ask for proof of citizenship or other legal status? What if I (a natural-borm American citizen) choose to leave home without identification and walk around a nearby shopping center, should the police be allowed to detain me with a mere suspicion that I might not be a US citizen or legal immigrant? Should I have the right to refuse to provide identification if I am not formally charged with a specific crime?
What do you think? - Reply to this comment
- It was done, because poor people didn't have the time or money to get to city hall or the county election centers.
To give them MORE OPTIONS to register to vote, the Motor Voter Law was passed!!!
Posted by hungry1968-15 at 9:28 AM : May 1, 2009
I also think this is true. The voting process should be opened up to more people, not less people. Now if there is abuse of the system, it should be addressed. But the intent and potential benefits are right on! - Reply to this comment
- Hungry, see the following motor votor card, and you tell me how this card prevents illegals or non-citizens from voting ?
http://www.maine.gov/sos/cec/elec/images/voterreg1.jpg
Posted by Joe-NY-4 at 8:49 AM : May 1, 2009
Did you happen to see at the top of this picture where it says "APPLICATION"?
You DO know that ALL voter registration's need to be verified by the COUNTY ELECTION COMMISSIONER prior to the applicant receiving an actual voting card, don't you? - Reply to this comment
- Obama is an activist who is trying to get illegal aliens voting rights hinge on the veracity of this example?
Posted by julesarcher1 at 9:12 AM : May 1, 2009
Whether or not they really did it to get illegals registered is debateable, and of course un-proveable......but it certainly was done, for activist reasons to get a huge number of voters for the democrats...regardless of their status.....Obama proved it in his races in Illinois.
Posted by Joe-NY-4 at 9:16 AM : May 1, 2009
You're so FOS!!!
It was done, because poor people didn't have the time or money to get to city hall or the county election centers.
To give them MORE OPTIONS to register to vote, the Motor Voter Law was passed!!!
You're claims are NOTHING but the conservatives and their attempts to deny people the right to vote, or to make it as hard as possible on the poor, so that they DON'T VOTE!!!
Typical conservatives scummbag, anti-American tactics, and nothing more!!!! - Reply to this comment
- http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=20223
This is just one quick article on the subject......if you scroll down, they are discussing the issue we are......how they don't check for citizenship OR require I.D.
This is not proof, just some reading supporting my position.
Posted by Joe-NY-4 at 9:25 AM : May 1, 2009
Well I'll read it, but I see where it's from and I do consider the source when I read things. - Reply to this comment
- Maybe...we could all...just agree...that you are both...morons.
Posted by mcthreeteeth at 9:21 AM : May 1, 2009
Whatever makes you happy is okay with me, dude. - Reply to this comment
- Ok, how about we disagree for the moment, since you seem to be un-convinced and under the impression that voter records are checked for citizenship, when they are not.....I would have to do some additional research to provide you with additional proof.....ok ?
Posted by Joe-NY-4 at 9:19 AM : May 1, 2009
Sounds good to me Joe. I just moved here and I had to show proof of everything!
And that's not even going into the whole License Plates/Driver License process. That's a real nightmare! - Reply to this comment
- Joe-NY-4 is a graduate of the Sarah Palin school of English syntax.
Posted by mcthreeteeth at 9:10 AM : May 1, 2009
We're discussing an idea, not the presentation of it.
Posted by julesarcher1 at 9:14 AM : May 1, 2009
You're promulgating your Rush Limbaugh propaganda. I just wish you wouldn't murder the English language in the process.
Posted by mcthreeteeth at 9:17 AM : May 1, 2009
Ummm . . . who is that directed at? - Reply to this comment
- Posted by julesarcher1 at 9:06 AM : May 1, 2009
That's why the forms say, are you a citizen ? or you must sign below that you are.......that is not proof of citizenship......and your bizare notion that they would check this, is naive.
Posted by Joe-NY-4 at 9:13 AM : May 1, 2009
So then, your claim is that they would check th other pieces of information but not that one? What leads you to that decision? What specific proof do you have that tis is how the form is used.
Don't tell me about the way of the world. Saying "This is nothing new.....it has been going on for decades.....I didn't invent this.......are you kidding ? we can't even ask a illegal on the street about his citizen status, without the liberals claiming privacy or immigrant rights" ---- this holds no water.
Is there an accompanying instruction book stating that the proof of citizenship is not required? - Reply to this comment
- Joe-NY-4 is a graduate of the Sarah Palin school of English syntax.
Posted by mcthreeteeth at 9:10 AM : May 1, 2009
We're discussing an idea, not the presentation of it. - Reply to this comment
- It's all about his radical activism, not about Acorn......they were just used as ONE example of his history of activism, of which Acorn is an activist organization, no doubt.
Posted by Joe-NY-4 at 9:06 AM : May 1, 2009
But the example is not valid, IMO. Does your claim that Obama is an activist who is trying to get illegal aliens voting rights hinge on the veracity of this example? - Reply to this comment
- My original point was about Obama's past activism......I was giving the motor voter as just one example of how Obama worked with activist orgaizations like Acorn to force social justice.....which is code word for slavery reperations and spreading the wealth socialism.
Posted by Joe-NY-4 at 8:58 AM : May 1, 2009
I understand. But my claim would then be that I dispute your assertion, thereby showing you that the veracity of your other claims could also be proven to be unfounded. - Reply to this comment
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