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As More Videos Surface In Police Shooting Of Handcuffed Suspect, Violent Protests Continue
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- Doesn''t matter if he was singing for a choir, or vandalizing and stealing from the train or passengers - the penalty for those crimes is not death, and even if it were, it is not a penalty to be imposed by one cop, without trial.
Cops are not there to be judge, jury, and executioner - not for looters, not for thieves, not for some kids who got a bit rambunctious, not for thugs yelling obnoxious things and posturing - not ever. Only when a life is in danger may they consider using deadly force - that was not the case here, so the cop belongs in jail, held until he can raise bail for his charges. - Reply to this comment
- Criminals are derivatives of society. Cops are representatives of the system governing society and are supposed to administer force equitably and in compliance with stated or reasonably anticipated guidelines. I really don''''t think they''''d be raising hell if the guy had only been cuffed and thrown in the slammer.
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Posted by brianp55
No criminals are the DREGS of society.
Don''t get me wrong, I''m not a racist cheering a dumb cop...the cop should face trail. A bad cop undermines credibility.
But I don''t think the cop acted in bad faith. I think he just finally lost it with all of the blasted criminals he has to deal with while a crowd of jeering, cowardly goons criticizes him for doing his job. - Reply to this comment
- I would agree that the Black community "appears" to be relatively silent on the issue of black criminals who populate their neighborhoods and kill fellow blacks at a rate that is FAR HIGHER than the occasional rogue white police officer. However, you can understand why the bad cop gets special attention and generates comparatively abundant rage. A criminal is not a product of the system of governance...the cop is. Criminals are derivatives of society. Cops are representatives of the system governing society and are supposed to administer force equitably and in compliance with stated or reasonably anticipated guidelines. I really don''t think they''d be raising hell if the guy had only been cuffed and thrown in the slammer.
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- Posted by clathrate at 03:08 PM
Yeah, right. He''''s judged guilty by the likes of you, Ms perfect, has perfect children and beat them every time she had a chance.
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Posted by rudy6543
That''s Mr. Perfect to you...
But you miss the point. I don''t expect my kids to be perfect. It''s a long way from perfect to armed robbery on the BART train. And of course there''s no reason to expect anyone to discipline their children or hold them accountable, right?
But wait, I must be mistaken. These 4 young boys were detained for singing too loud on their way to choir practice. That must be the case, right? - Reply to this comment
- Your position suggests that your so-called "work" with at risk kids consists solely of putting them "at risk".
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Posted by brianbwb
Brian, normally I agree with you on most topics, but I cannot forgive the insult you''ve made to me. I have spent over a decade tutoring and mentoring youth in the most impoverished neighborhoods in Bryan and Austin, Texas. I have helped many children of all races, creeds, colors, and backgrounds achieve some measure of success and confidence. and time and time again the biggest blaock to success is the culture that surrounds them, telling them they are helpless, and that''s it''s not cool to be an "uncle Tom" and do well in school. Instead, they should live the "thug life".
I''ve grown up with these thug clowns. And yes, some of them are decent human beings caught in a mess. But many of them ARE NOT decent human beings, they are parasites. What really ticks me off is that the community leaders pick criminals as their rallying point, and not the kids who are following the "striaght and narrow".
So sure, insult me. I''m used to it. I''m used to having most "mainstream" black community leadrs ignore me or put down my work. Strangely, it is those black folk dedicated to a higher purpose that I have grown to rely on and call friends. The rest have been bamboozled by the cult of victimization. - Reply to this comment
- Posted by clathrate at 03:08 PM
Yeah, right. He''s judged guilty by the likes of you, Ms perfect, has perfect children and beat them every time she had a chance. - Reply to this comment
- clathrate if this was your *** child that this evil act was done to you wouldn''''t be making such a evil statement. God will get those *** for doing this whether he was a thug or not grown people who are suppose to be civilized find theirselves in circumstances that are unavoidable
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Posted by newmark3
First of all, if my child is robbing people on the train, they''re going to jail. Unlike the members of the victimization cult, I expect my kids to not get involved in criminal activity; and if they do, they will suffer the consequences.
It is no coincidence that crime fluorishes in those neighborhoods most given over to the victimization cult. - Reply to this comment
- Once again, my point is made. Blame the liberals huh? you are right, poverty did not exist before liberals. Did you know that Jefferson, Washington, and even Hamilton were liberals? Name one instance in the history of mankind where the "conservatives" were the "good guys." I defy you to choose 1
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You have a skewed idea on what liberal and conservatism is. Being one or the other doesn''t mean you are associated with the either of the 2 major parties. Your examples of Presidents where all slave owners and thus under todays blind ignorance they would be considered Republicans or conservatives, Yet Abe lincoln was a founder of the todays Republican party and his views on social matters cleary puts as a liberal if you solely judge on the social aspect. I do find it funny that you listed people of opposing parties and called them both liberals. Its like calling Bush and Clinton socialist. Oddly enough Bush was prob the biggest socialist this country has seen since FDR. - Reply to this comment
- Do any of you people who hate whites riot in the streets about the gang violence that is killing your youth?
Where are the angry rioters trying to take back their neighborhoods from the thugs that run their schedule for them, then kill their innocent kids?
If you don''t have police, then you get New Orleans ( highest murder rate, rape, etc).
Where are the protestors and rioters there? - Reply to this comment
- Why has this cop not been arrested? If that had have been you and me shooting someone we would have been immediately arrested and locked up. Why is this cop being treated differently? Why is it taking so long to "investigate" this crime. May I suggest the delay is so the cops and the DA can get a good story together so they can let another murdering cop go free. Just another case where cops are treated better than the citizens they are swored to protect. I fear these murdering, never held to account cops.
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- the cop is in the wrong here 1 billion percent. They had him detained, under no circumstances should an officer need to fire the gun in that situation, accident or not...
Posted by ddaryl1 at 01:24 PM : Jan 09, 2009
NOT ONLY THAT.... IF SOMEONE IS HANDCUFFED WITH THEIR BELLY TO THE GROUND YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SOOT THEM WITH A TEASER ANYWAY. WHAT, DID HE THINK THE KID WAS GOING TO USE HIS SPECIAL POWERS TO GET OUT THE CUFFS AND ATTACK HIM?...GET REAL FOLKS!!! - Reply to this comment
- "Another GUN OWNER, doing what comes naturally... murdering people".
Posted by IDNNSG at 02:30 PM : Jan 09, 2009
So IDNNSG says that gun owners naturally murder people. Nice.
I am not an NRA member or belong to any hunting clubs. However, to attack gun owners places you in the category of mentally delusional. - Reply to this comment
- Once again, my point is made. Blame the liberals huh? you are right, poverty did not exist before liberals. Did you know that Jefferson, Washington, and even Hamilton were liberals? Name one instance in the history of mankind where the "conservatives" were the "good guys." I defy you to choose 1
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Posted by texasbeta at 02:02 PM : Jan 09, 2009
what the heck or you talking about? the elections or over! - Reply to this comment
- It does seem strange, that while the man was being held down by other officers, that he would in front of everyone shoot him. What was he thinking? Was he enraged so much as to take such drastic action? or could he have thought that he grabbed his taser? None of us know. We have to wait.
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- SusanHelit, the office will definately charged. The question becomes what he will be charged with. Moreover, I''m not sure how the laws of California works, but if you charge him with Murder in the First Degree and fail to convict him, you might have to retry him on a lesser charge (some states have lesser included statutes in their law). Anyway, the best case scenario for this is a manslaughter charge.
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- If people don''t complain, it is only a matter of time for the outcome of this incident to be the same as the one in New York not long ago, in which trigger happy police officers fired more than forty times and killed an innocent unarmed man. I will not be surprised if Johannes Mehserle is found innocent of any wrongdoing and is declared an asset to the community.
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- Whether or not he may have thought it was the taser - any normal person who did this would be charged - and let a court case with a judge decide. Charge him with murder - and let the courts decide - because there''s definitely enough reason to think it may have been murder.
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- Sadly, there is a good chance, the shooting was a huge error. If you look carefully at the videotape, you will notice that the officer''s taser was on his belt right next to his gun. There is a chance that this officer meant to get his taser and instead without thinking pulled his pistol. I''m not saying that this is what happened, but if there is a chance. And if nothing else, this is the defense his lawyer will take. At best, we will see a reckless endangerment conviction on this case.
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- Your uber-liberal mindset is what has devastated the poor. They are not taught the virtues of education and hard work. Instead, the culture has become one of glorified ***, violence, and out of control behavior.
And when a young black man with dreams of a university education is shot down by some gangbanger rat, no one utters a peep. But when some worthless thug gets himself killed, wow, out comes the black "civil rights" circus. Go figure.
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Posted by clathrate
Once again, my point is made. Blame the liberals huh? you are right, poverty did not exist before liberals. Did you know that Jefferson, Washington, and even Hamilton were liberals? Name one instance in the history of mankind where the "conservatives" were the "good guys." I defy you to choose 1 - Reply to this comment
- Posted by DaVicar3
You gotta love it when a gang of low-life ghetto thugs organize a violent protest to protest violence...a bit ironic,
...or perhaps, "moronic", wouldn`t you say?
Why is it that people have to be low life gettho thugs and i hope you know that the word ghetto was first used to describe a community populated by people of the jewish faith so unless a group of jewish people railed together and ogranized a volient protest to protest volience maybe you should choose your words more cautiously - Reply to this comment
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