Comments on: Obama Unveils Ambitious Economic Agenda

In Midst Of Crisis, President-Elect Urges Quick Action; Focuses On Job Creation, Clean Energy

[swin5]

To allulosers

Go to a debate class - typical - make reference to data or an argument without actually stating anything.

And FYI, I am not a Democrat, unless voting for Nader in 2004 and Ron Paul in 2008 qualifies me as one.

And by the way, when this depression really settles in, until and unless we realize that the policies of Ron Paul, that of returning to limited Constitutional
government, are the answer then we may never pull out of our economic decline.

[swin5]

To ofbyfor3

I made no reference to corporate entities - how the corporations founded by these individuals behaved after the era of big government began in the 1930''s was not my point. I was referring to the era of the largest period of growth in the nation''s wealth and industrial power - the period after the Civil War.

Take the Wright brothers as an example. They ran a bicycle shop, of all things, to raise the money to conduct their aeronautical experiments. They came up with all the modern principles of heavier than air flight, with no government funding.

And Frank Sprague - his little Sprague Electric Railway Car Company nearly went broke developing the first successful electric streetcar in Richmond, VA in 1887. No government funding yet he ushered in the era of true rapid urban mass transportation.

Charles Martin Hall fiddles in his shop in Pittsburgh and finds an expensive way to refine aluminum, Drake, with private funds and nearly broke, hires a salt well driller and puts down the first oil well, giving a start to that industry and again, no government funding.

Shall I go on? Government is not the answer, it is the problem.

[beach671]

Each military branch has 80,000 people that are Disabled Retired due to injuries while serving our country (budget constraint). Do they get retirement checks? No.

Let''s say you were an E-5 that broke your leg diving behind a truck in Iraq during mortar attack. Let''s say you get a 30% disabled rating and are Disabled Retired from the military. You get a Retirement check of say $700. But then you apply for VA Disability and they count all injuries received instead of the DOD policy of only counting 1. Lez say they rate you at 50% disabled from the disabled leg, scars, and bad wrist from the fall. They will take away your military disabled check...and send you a check instead.

Take it away? Yes. So now this broken man has to support his family and is not entitled to both a DOD Disabled Retired check AND VA Disability. Why?

The UnderSecretary of Defense recently created new policy pretty much saying you need a direct bullet into you to be eligible for both. We''ve created so many broken men and screwed them over with this War.

Obama''s bailout will be in vain. Broken people can''t work and their country abandoned them. Social Security is getting axed again as well in the near future. Meanwhile we''ve got 20+ million illegal immigrants sucking our social systems dry..making the broke Americans finance their kids schools, Emergency room service, and even 5 million failed mortgages according to HUD since Congress let illegal aliens get mortgages.

[chitownfire1]

Posted by Donyetta at 08:15 AM

Thats a interesting idea to give $50,000 to each taxpayer or homeowner in America to stimulate the economy. What would the price tag for some that cost? I did my own calculations for 150 million Americans and I came up with the price tag of 7.5 trillion.

[irmcvet971]

Empty suit = empty promises.
This guy has no experience as a senator and you think he will save our economy.
How about we tell companies to bring their jobs back to America or leave!

Posted by kevinkkloste at 07:14 AM : Jan 09, 2009


So YOU think we should just stay the course? Keep following the same "Trickle Down" path? THAT''S INSANE Sparky! Absolutely INSANE!!

[irmcvet971]

When are the American people going to wake up and smell the BS?,,,,Congress,,,including Both parties is involved with a huge rippoff ...lobbyists are getting back from their investments vast riches in bailouts and the people get stuck with the tab......over 4 decades of bad decisions from lifetime politicians have landed us right where we are...couple that with across the board corruption in the form of Lobby dollars.....the end result meant sell get rich legislation at the cost of the people.......short of all members of congress resigning and turning themselves in for crimes against the people.......the only cure for this situation is taking Thomas Jeffersons advice ....that men should gather arms and rise to defend the country from threats from within....meaning a government gone bad.

Posted by tincup356 at 08:01 AM : Jan 09, 2009


When are YOU going to wake up and understand that the Democratic Party did NOT give us "Trickle Down" nor did they allow a Lobbyist to write Gramn-Leach-Bliley!!

[donyetta-2009]

Re: Economic Recession/ Bailout

Hello, My name is Donyetta Hall and I am from Muskegon Michigan. My husband and I were discussing everything that has transpired in our economy in the last year. Though this suggestion my sound far fetched this is our thoughts:

Why will the government not take a large portion of the bailout money and put it back in the hands of the American people? Think about it%u2026. If they gave each taxpayer or homeowner at least $50,000 what do you think they will do with it? For a majority of us we will immediately go and began paying off debts: Houses, cars, credit card bills, loans. For some people they will go and shop: Buying houses, cars, anything, something. Which in turn, will help the banks out and get the ball rolling again. The stock market will began to rise again, because we the people will have a say in our own destiny. And yes, there will be some knucklehead that will go and blow there money, but if they do they will still be benefiting our economy. How? The money they spend will go to the stores to help them out, which in turns pumps money back into the system.

That was our take on the whole thing. When discussing it with family they said the government will never do that because the system is designed to keep us in debt%u2026%u2026%u2026

Things to make you go UM%u2026%u2026%u2026

Donyetta Hall
231-722-0793
01-09-2009

[donyetta-2009]

Re: Economic Recession/ Bailout

Hello, My name is Donyetta Hall and I am from Muskegon Michigan. My husband and I were discussing everything that has transpired in our economy in the last year. Though this suggestion my sound far fetched this is our thoughts:

Why will the government not take a large portion of the bailout money and put it back in the hands of the American people? Think about it%u2026. If they gave each taxpayer or homeowner at least $50,000 what do you think they will do with it? For a majority of us we will immediately go and began paying off debts: Houses, cars, credit card bills, loans. For some people they will go and shop: Buying houses, cars, anything, something. Which in turn, will help the banks out and get the ball rolling again. The stock market will began to rise again, because we the people will have a say in our own destiny. And yes, there will be some knucklehead that will go and blow there money, but if they do they will still be benefiting our economy. How? The money they spend will go to the stores to help them out, which in turns pumps money back into the system.

That was our take on the whole thing. When discussing it with family they said the government will never do that because the system is designed to keep us in debt%u2026%u2026%u2026

Things to make you go UM%u2026%u2026%u2026

Donyetta Hall
231-722-0793
01-09-2009

[chitownfire1]

Empty suit = empty promises.
This guy has no experience as a senator and you think he will save our economy.
How about we tell companies to bring their jobs back to America or leave!


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Posted by kevinkkloste

Wow, now thats a great idea, give Corporate America ultimatum. Either employ our workers or leave our shores. Did you get that idea from the Bushism textbook? Its like ''Dead or Alive'' or ''With us or Against Us''.

Americans have had enough ''Cowboy Politics'' this past 8 years to last them a lifetime. That ''High Noon'' talk to Corporate America that you are advocating is the last thing that we need during this economic crisis....

[tincup356]

When are the American people going to wake up and smell the BS?,,,,Congress,,,including Both parties is involved with a huge rippoff ...lobbyists are getting back from their investments vast riches in bailouts and the people get stuck with the tab......over 4 decades of bad decisions from lifetime politicians have landed us right where we are...couple that with across the board corruption in the form of Lobby dollars.....the end result meant sell get rich legislation at the cost of the people.......short of all members of congress resigning and turning themselves in for crimes against the people.......the only cure for this situation is taking Thomas Jeffersons advice ....that men should gather arms and rise to defend the country from threats from within....meaning a government gone bad.

[ofbyfor3]

Which of the following were government employees?
Westinghouse, Tesla, Einstein, Fulton, Ford, Wright (Orville or Wilbur), Roebling, Sprague, Bell, Carnegie, Edwin Drake, Morse, Kaiser, Schwinn, Faraday, Charles Martin Hall, Gould, Morgan, Durant, etc.

And another question - give me a list of government employees who were as innovative, inventive, or productive.

Now tell me again how productive big government is.

Posted by swin5 at 01:15 AM : Jan 09, 2009

Since virtually every corporate entity you listed above has had substantial R&D funding from the government (i.e., the taxpayers), your point is moot.

[irmcvet971]

So we are going to spend our way out of this. Great idea! How about looking at it like this. I''''m broke and can''''t pay the house payment, car payment or bills(the Gov.). I say to my wife, sweetheart, we are not making ends meet with so we both need to go out and buy more stuff and put it on credit(foreign loans). This is insane! The "New Deal" of FDR only prolonged the recession as will this one.

Posted by thepitbull13 at 06:44 AM : Jan 09, 2009


How was that swastika breath?? The New Deal took us from the Great Depression to the Greatest Economic Power on the planet. The Economic Policy put in place by Roosevelt when he was elected WAS used from that point until 1980, when we bought into the INSANITY of "Trickle Down" and you fascist want to tell us it DOESN''T work?? ROFLMAO It''s no wonder you poor freaks gave us the WORST in our HISTORY, allowed a Party to remove ALL regulations on Banks and produce MORE debt and deficits than Roosevelt or All the Democrat Presidents COMBINED!! Thats right swastika breath, YOU freaks backed a Leader who PRODUCED MORE DEBT and Bigger DEFICITS that ALL the Democrat Presidents COMBINED!! Hardly the people we should be listening to here would you say?? Sieg Heil Y''all.

[thepitbull13]

So we are going to spend our way out of this. Great idea! How about looking at it like this. I''m broke and can''t pay the house payment, car payment or bills(the Gov.). I say to my wife, sweetheart, we are not making ends meet with so we both need to go out and buy more stuff and put it on credit(foreign loans). This is insane! The "New Deal" of FDR only prolonged the recession as will this one.

[irmcvet971]

SWIN5 -- Wow! There are so many things "Wrong" with your post, I wouldn''''t even know where to begin. But, in the interest of keeping it short, I deduce that you''''re defintely a Democrat.

Posted by ALLULOSERS at 04:39 AM : Jan 09, 2009

This from someone who voted FOR Bush and the Fascist... TWICE!! Yep someone who supported the Party that gve us Gramn-Leach-Bliley! That was the LAW the FASCIST allowed a Lobbyist from the BANKING Industry to write that removed ALL regulations on the Banking Industry, NOT just Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac. ROFLMAO Sparky you need to check that foil on your head!!

[irmcvet971]

Have you folks noticed that the FASCIST, the one''s who told us 8 years ago that deficits didn''t matter are SUDDENLY concerned? Yep the same low life creatures who gave us George Bush, who rubber stamped Trickle Down and put us IN the mess our New President is trying to lead us out of, are "Worried" about additional debt!! Now THAT takes a Fascist Republican with a bunch of dead from the neck up Red Necks as an audience!

[allulosers]

To those of you debating Fannie and Freddie:

Did you ever think that maybe these programs shouldn''''t have been created in the first place? I, for one, can think of several reasons not to own a house - for one, if you lose your job or your salary is reduced, or your job is transferred to a different location, not having a house or a mortgage to worry about will make the adjustments much easier.


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Posted by swin5

SWIN5 -- Wow! There are so many things "Wrong" with your post, I wouldn''t even know where to begin. But, in the interest of keeping it short, I deduce that you''re defintely a Democrat.

[wardoglrs]

With the exception only of the period of the gold standard,all governments of history have used their exclusive power to issue paper to defraud and plunder the people. Friedrich Von Hayek


The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the government of the U.S. ever since the days of Andrew Jackson. History depicts Andrew Jackson as the last truly honorable and incorruptible American president.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. Thomas Jefferson

Paper is poverty, it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself." Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carringt

[swin5]

To those of you debating Fannie and Freddie:

Did you ever think that maybe these programs shouldn''t have been created in the first place? I, for one, can think of several reasons not to own a house - for one, if you lose your job or your salary is reduced, or your job is transferred to a different location, not having a house or a mortgage to worry about will make the adjustments much easier.

[jowand]

You are thinking in black and white again jowand. If the state becomes god, it is Dogma. If you believe science without question, it is Dogma. DOGMA IS BAD JOWDAND, any way you slice it. This state of things is leads to stagnation.

Posted by Fahren451 at 01:36 AM : Jan 09, 2009

You are just being dogmatic, please leave the room immediately as you had promised.
Enjoyed it :-)

[swin5]

To Fahrenheit 451

The ''church'' and faith in God are not synonymous. I lay claim to one but not the other.

And by the way, this is my field so to some degree I ask that you take my word for this - the vast majority of theoretical scientists throughout history were deeply religious individuals. During my agnostic days, when I studied the history of science, I was surprised myself to learn this. Today I understand why.