Comments on: White House Auto Bailout Plan In Neutral

Pressure Mounts Over Administration's Promised Rescue Package For Ailing Industry

[rudy6543]

And how sad most Bush supporters ...are praising the demise of US AUTOMAKERS because they pay their employees good wages and have an excellent benefit package for those that work for them

Posted by safe11 at 07:34 PM

These are the same people who tried to create a sob story for Joe the Plumber. You remember the fake "Joe" who supposedly was afraid of earning more than 250,000? Poor Joe! He''s just a regular Joe who earns more than 21,000 a month and is afraid of paying taxes. Yep. But people who earn far less than that, they just want to pizzz on.

[tincup356]

to formrusmcsgt, The difference at question is the millions of lobby dollars already paid to Washington and to exactly whom? Wherever bailout money falls,,,you can rest assured that lobby dollars were paid in advance.corporate America has paid bribes to congress for this money regardless of what anybody says otherwise.it is a criminal act to do what they are doing and American citizens are in great denial to think that this is not happening.

[inventagod2]

Lame Duck...

Qvack Qvack...

[stacy863]

Let me see if I understand this. Since President Bush has been in office thousands of American%u2019s have lost their lives (on 9/11 and the war%u2019s in Iraq and Afghanistan), we have lost our two largest buildings, we are currently fighting two wars, we were lied to about weapons of mass destruction, our nation is trillions of dollars in debt, the banking industry required a $700 billion bailout, people are losing their jobs and homes at a record pace, and our manufacturing base is being destroyed. What a wonderful track record. Now the GOP has blue collar employees arguing amongst themselves and believing that they are the problem and have caused this mess. Personally I would like to know who the idiots are (other than Fox News) who are giving this crackpot a 24 - 26% approval rating.

[steeepe]

Conservative Republicans would like to see all unions fail, and they don''t care if that takes down the U.S. economy because their ideology is more important to them. They would just as soon see all manufacturing jobs moved overseas and government and military jobs outsourced to the private sector. They want "free", not fair, trade. They think that the private sector is capable of policing itself, which has been shown to be false. They want the unions and trial lawyers to fail so that corporatism reigns supreme, which is a fundamental element of fascism. In short, they are profoundly un-American.

[formrusmcsgt]

I have yet to see an effective argument as to why these companies are so unique that they can not go through the Chapter 11 process like all others types of companies do under similar circumstances.

[bobnjersey]

[The right-wingers keep telling us that the price of the domestic produced car is so high because of the labor cost & benefits. The foreign automakers, on the other hand, do not have anywhere near the labor cost (union automakers) but the price of their automobles are not any cheaper. Why is that? Can someone please explain this to us?]
[Posted by nikosk11 at 04:22 PM : Dec 17, 2008]

they''re lying to make their case ... the case that uaw workers make ''way more'' than everyone else ... and because of this they shouldn''t get any help.

there are no uaw workers making $70/hr ... and there are no uaw workers making anywhere near that. the $70/hr wage includes direct labor (about $28), benefits for current workers (about $10), and the pension and medical benefits for all retired workers or their survivors (the diff between roughly $38 and $70).

if there really was such a difference ... then the uaw would have no problem getting into the japanese plants in the us and getting those workers the higher wage.

[poor_boy2006]

How much of the billions will go to pay laid off workers their sub-pay? Didn''t it seem odd the president of the UAW was in Washington begging for money with the heads of the Big 3? Maybe he should settle for a dollar a year wage! Still say the "car czar" should be Wal-Mart. They seem to be doing fine in all this mess.

[nikosk11]

White House Auto Bailout Plan In Neutral". Probably it will be put in "Park", or "Reverse", within the next day or so, and left that way until the next administration takes office.

Posted by g1000 at 04:18 PM : Dec 17, 2008

The White House is giving us a snow job. The "Big Bosses" of the "Big Three" are part of the scam. They don''t want government help. They want to get rid of the union worker. They want to go bankcrapt. I don''t believe they didn''t see it coming for some time ago. Now, all in the sudden, they need help or they will shut downd by the end of the month. Are we that dumb to believe this?

[nikosk11]

The right-wingers keep telling us that the price of the domestic produced car is so high because of the labor cost & benefits. The foreign automakers, on the other hand, do not have anywhere near the labor cost (union automakers) but the price of their automobles are not any cheaper. Why is that? Can someone please explain this to us?

[GCG]

"White House Auto Bailout Plan In Neutral". Probably it will be put in "Park", or "Reverse", within the next day or so, and left that way until the next administration takes office.

[dronemonk]

According to the union haters around here, assembly-line workers have to take a pay cut so their failed bosses can receive taxpayer financed bailouts. But bankers? Not so much. When their bailout came down, we weren''t even allowed to limit their bonuses, much less decrease their pay rate.

I can tell at who''s feet you stretch.

[craigh9]

The Republicans are trying to cause the big three to make them file so they can bust the unions.
Posted by antoniof123 at 03:20 PM : Dec 17, 2008

Oh No, don''t bust the unions!!!! How in the world will our uneducated, unmotivated, and civilly ambivalent citzens make $80,000 a year, hardly pay anything for their benefits, and be able to retire at 95% of their pay - HOW CAN ANYONE EXPECT TO LIVE ON SO LITTLE.
The UAW deserves to be dumped - and if it can be arranged for the public employees unions and the education units to be blown up too our country would experience an extremely speedy recovery. These unions have sucked the country dry (with the aid of idiot management) and they need to be CRUSHED!!!

[antoniof123]

The Republicans are trying to cause the big three to make them file so they can bust the unions.

Don''t worry GOP we know this just like the lie about union wages. It is a lie the contract is 27.81 per hours. Any other wages would be subject to court and legal constraints.

Hey GOP I see another blood bath in 2 years if you continue down this course. We American have awaken and are not happy with you.

I take it that loseing 50 seats in congress and 14 seats in the senate in 2 elections was not enough to send you a wake up call. So maybe we should up it to 70 and 30 in the next election.

I wonder if they will be dumber than dirt.

[usgeneral-2009]

The UAW is a CANCER on the American auto industry that has been eating away at the foundation of this industry for decades. The greed of this group is unprecedented and reaches CEO levels.

The UAW would have the American auto industry collapse, rather than give up one penny of excessive, non-competitive salaries and gold-plated health benefits - that are provided even to non-working union members (which is probably the majority.)

This CANCER must be eradicated, before it kills the patient.

[dronemonk]

Our government, being populated by the ideologically inbred banker/debt worshipers that it is, seems to think that running up more debt/deflating the hell outta our currency''s value (coming soon) in order to preserve and conceal bad debt (racked up by bad bankers) will eventually have everyone singing a rousing chorus of "Happy Days Are Here Again". Don''t hold your breath...Bad debt (and the attending bad bankers who wrote it) are at the root of what ails us. I am against all forms of bailout. Failure is part and parcel of a healthy free market. But the fact that our leadership cried "EMERGENCY!" and hastily awarded a king''s ransom (with very few strings attached) to our banking sector, and now gives short shrift to manufacturing''s woes (many of them centered on banking) really says something about the distorted values held by our nation''s leadership.

[dburfears]

This is the "big lie" spread by Fox News and the lunatic Right- "$70 and hour" or $50 an hour". It''s a LIE. An independent automobile MANUFACTURERS group, Center for Automotive Research, study shows that Auto workers average $28 an hour. TWENTY EIGHT. That''s TWENTY EIGHT DOLLARS. Can you idiots spell that?

Toyota workers in Kentucky make $27 an hour. Honda workers in Ohio make $30 an hour. The GOP is LYING.

The higher hourly numbers are fabrications (LIES) made up by the GOP and their anti-union business interests. Their real goal is to break unions, return to the 1920''s where people were paid slave wages to work 12 hour shifts in dangerous jobs, and get everyone else working for MINIMUM WAGE. All so they can make more money.

$50 is a LIE. $70 is a LIE. $28 is CORRECT.

[dburfears]

The GOP in the South is in the pocket of FOREIGN AUTO COMPANIES who are being bailed out by their own governments while they get HUGE TAX SUBSIDIES from the southern US states.

The GOP in the South is full of traitors who are CASHING IN from foreign auto companies while advocating the destruction of American industry.

The GOP in the south will not be happy until American workers make minimum wage or less in foreign auto manufacturing sweat shops. Once they kill the unions, the foreign auto companies will no longer have to hold up their wages to keep the unions out. Wages will drop everywhere and the GOP in the South will get more "donations" from their FOREIGN MASTERS. Traitors.

[soose95]

Personally, I think the Big 3 should restructure by forming one auto company, merging their management, workers, design teams, etc. They can then compete with foreign automakers already in the US.

We all know that bailout money will end up as bonuses in top managements'' pockets. They''ve been so outrageously greedy for so many years, they have no clue how to be otherwise.

[torva-2009]

I would like to know how much money got funneled to the foreign auto manufacturers in the south...be it infrstructure, tax incentives, or other. And how much money did these foreign auto makers contribute to GOP, especially the obnoxous and obstructionist Republican Senators?

GOP - GANG OF PHELONS!