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- Posted by machineguy
"Would Dr Martin Luther King have protested in this way?"
I think banging his mistriss whould have caused Mukasey to faint just as badly.
How would this have helped?
Sandra Day O''conner should have been there to repeat the same thing Even louder! - Reply to this comment
- Calling a liberty-hater like Mukasey what he is- an Anti-American authoritarian. What''''s so surprising about that?
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Posted by dburfears at 01:55 PM : Nov 26, 2008
Not surprising but hardly civil and hardly useful. Further, its not likely that he is a "liberty hater", you just dont like his policy in this case and use emotion to extrapolate to his overall philosophy. Not very convincing either.
We have become a nation of haters who hurly insults and expletives at each other instead of ideas. I dont think that is good use of our freedom to speak. I am most certain it isnt what our founders intended.
How can we unite if we choose to fight? - Reply to this comment
- I''m sure Mukasey was shocked - just shocked- to hear someone speak the truth about him and about his co-conspirators in the Bush Administration.
"Constitution", "Liberty", "Free Speech", "Bill of Rights" are concepts that have been trashed by the far right and other authoritarians in the USA. The media is cowed, just like in China, from exposing government excesses. They fear being labeled "un-American" by the Right wing propaganda machine. The American people are simply disinterested.
The police state is coming. Some Americans applaud it as they cower in fear of "terrorism" and are willing to sacrifice their liberty for false promises of safety. All the police have to do is make false accusations of "terrorism", and the cowards among us cry "protect us", allowing any excess the government practices. Later, when these charges are proven false, the media is silent to the injustices. However, the damage as been done.
Most Americans just do not care any more. They think that they will never lose their liberty and are blind to the police state being established by American authoritarian politicians and the rapidly growing "security" apparatus. By the time they realize we are no longer free it will be too late. Perhaps our downfall is inevitable. - Reply to this comment
- America is slowly but steadily descending into a police state where the President and his minions like Mukasey do exactly as they please.
Gone is the concept of checks and balances.
Gone is the rule of law.
Gone is the supremacy of our great Constitution.
Dlck Cheney and George Bush have pushed this country past representative government into the blackness ot authoritarianism. And imagine this- they cheer it as though they have done something to be proud of. No doubt they thought Mukasey was a "great pick" to crush our liberty.
As surely as Washington, Jefferson, and the other founding fathers were "Patriots", Bush and Cheney are the Anti-Patriots. - Reply to this comment
- Here are the facts,
1. Bush''s IQ is 86, which is little better than a mentally retarded person.
2. He cannot speak English correctly
3. He cannot write English sentences correctly,
So his supporters are pretty close to his IQ and from the last election you all can see who voted for Republican Party, dropouts (High School, College). - Reply to this comment
- Calling a liberty-hater like Mukasey what he is- an Anti-American authoritarian. What''s so surprising about that?
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- respect is a two way street ... and when the government and it''''s officials disrespect those they''''re tasked to represent ... they deserve the exact same disrespect in return.
should everyone just nod and smile while they''''re being scr3wed by those that are supposed to be serving them?
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Posted by bobnjersey at 01:43 PM : Nov 26, 2008
Simple question of how effective you can be in your protest. Ask this:
"Would Dr Martin Luther King have protested in this way?"
If your answer is anything but "absolutely yes!" then you are probably not being effective with anyone but those already convinced.
PS. I am white and believe that Dr King was a truly great American. He saw wrong and chose to right it at great cost to himself and was still able to avoid anythign near violence.
It seems to me, those who despise our governments use of violence should be extra vigilant to avoid violence and vilent disruption of their own. - Reply to this comment
- HEY YOU WHINERS, AT LEAST HE DIDN''T SENTENCE HIM TO DEATH! HE JUST FAINTED WHEN HE WAS CALLED OUT AS A TYRANT.
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- and when the government and it''''s officials disrespect those they''''re tasked to represent ... they deserve the exact same disrespect in return.
Posted by bobnjersey at 01:43 PM : Nov 26, 2008
If disrespect is so BAD when someone else does it, why do you approve of it in this case?
Using one person''s bad behavior to justify THE SAME bad behavior in others is a standard excuse that children use for their own antisocial behavior. - Reply to this comment
- [THAT giant sucking sound is public civility going down the drain. When our society approves and even APPLAUDS a judge shouting at a speaker during a public presentation, we are in for some ugly times ahead.]
[Posted by txgrouch2007 at 01:22 PM : Nov 26, 2008]
when elected and/or appointed officials of the government do everything in their power to misrepresent, mischaracterize, and outright lie about their role, their responsibility, their policies ... and the impact these actions have on those they''re suppossed to serve ... then they deserve to have people in their face ... their statements being shouted down ... and their claims challenged.
respect is a two way street ... and when the government and it''s officials disrespect those they''re tasked to represent ... they deserve the exact same disrespect in return.
should everyone just nod and smile while they''re being scr3wed by those that are supposed to be serving them? - Reply to this comment
- Apparently judges like Alexander prefer to see free speech by judges reserved to the court room, where contempt of court charges can be applied to any that disagree with the judge''''s free speech. Talk about a tyrant.
When you see judges condemning other judges for using free speech as a tool "outside of the court room", you know this country and it''''s Constitution have been ****** ROYALLY
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Posted by prometheus41 at 01:13 PM : Nov 26, 2008
Its not free speach when you interrupt anothers right to be hear (free speach). Its not free speach when you persist in talking to your partner at a movie theater.
Free speach is finding your own venue or one that is intended to be shared (like this one) and persenting your own ideas. Even then, there are limits to what can be said without retribution (slander, incite to riot, etc).
Lets not ruin our precious right to free speach by mis-applying the concept. Protect it by protecting how it is used. - Reply to this comment
- The commission said Sanders went to the center, which houses *** offenders who are kept in custody indefinitely after their prison sentences are served, at the invitation of some inmates.
Please tell me this is some kind printing error or something.
I mean, I''ve heard of punishing and imposing additional penalties on *** offenders AFTER they have served their time, but being "kept in custody indefinitely" AFTER their prison sentences have been served? This GOES ON? In the Western Hemisphere?!
I mean these last eight to 30 years for the Bill of Rights have been rough, but .... hmmm....errr....we really don''t have a Constitution anymore, do we? - Reply to this comment
- And what you included sounds like such a pile of BS that I wouldn''''t read the rest of it if you posted the whole thing.
Posted by txgrouch2007
Spoken in the true tradition of the Bush Administration''s ''Don''t confuse me with facts...I know what I want to do.'' You can always take comfort in the fact that Bush doesn''t like to do homework either. You pseudonym is accurate...you''re just another ignorant-by-choice loudmouth grouch from Texas. - Reply to this comment
- Apparently judges like Alexander prefer to see free speech by judges reserved to the court room, where contempt of court charges can be applied to any that disagree with the judge''''s free speech. Talk about a tyrant.
Posted by prometheus41 at 01:13 PM : Nov 26, 2008
THAT giant sucking sound is public civility going down the drain.
When our society approves and even APPLAUDS a judge shouting at a speaker during a public presentation, we are in for some ugly times ahead. - Reply to this comment
- "People have a First Amendment right to speak, but that''s not conduct that I would like to see judges display," Alexander said.
Apparently judges like Alexander prefer to see free speech by judges reserved to the court room, where contempt of court charges can be applied to any that disagree with the judge''s free speech. Talk about a tyrant.
When you see judges condemning other judges for using free speech as a tool "outside of the court room", you know this country and it''s Constitution have been ****** ROYALLY - Reply to this comment
- It has been determined why Attorney General Micheal Mukasey collapsed during a speech he was giving criticizing criticism of the Great Emperor Bush II''s use of the law (or lack of it!) on HIS war against terrrrrror!!
Apparently Mukasey has "heckled" by fellow judges in the audience who called him such nasty words as "tyrant". Such language was supposedly enough for Mukasey to suffer a "brain-***" which caused him to forget who he was, where he was, and what he was doing wherever he was at!
Those judges in the audience supposedly responsible for causing Mukasey''s attack have refused to apologize with at least one of them claiming that "he calls them like he see them".
It is expected that Mukasey will completely recover from his attack but that he will cancel all speaking engagements for the rest of his life!
SIG HEIL, I GET "BRAIN-FARTS" PRETTY OFTEN!!!, BUSH!!! - Reply to this comment
- It seems that this nation has a problem with the constution since bush forced his way in to office. Posted by BarbaraM99 at 12:20 PM : Nov 26, 2008
The right wing attacks one set of rights. The left wing attacks another set of rights (as we are witnessing on the board right now, in the continued attacks on the Second Amendment).
As the left and the right saw away at our rights, someday we may have no rights left at all. - Reply to this comment
- Did you bother to READ the essay?
Posted by flreason at 12:02 PM : Nov 26, 2008
Sorry, but I DO NOT read links posted by others. I used to, and I ALWAYS ended up regretting it. Mainly because the link pointed to something that had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the topic, but it usually took 30 minutes or more to find that out. And half the time the link crashed my computer.
I can do my OWN research about the spelling of "imbecile" or the biography of Khrushchev. Otherwise, I read only what you include in the body of your post.
And what you included sounds like such a pile of BS that I wouldn''t read the rest of it if you posted the whole thing. - Reply to this comment
- Gun owners would do far better advocating what good citizens they (we) are rather than how violent we are. It''''s far more persuasive to non-gun owners.
Posted by tuckerndfw at 12:02 PM : Nov 26, 2008
Yah, the NRA has tried that from time to time.
It tends to get NO ATTENTION WHATSOEVER.
Like the girl from the USA who won the OLYMPIC GOLD MEDAL FOR MARKSMANSHIP one year, and NOBODY EVEN HEARD ABOUT IT unless they were reading American Rifleman. - Reply to this comment
- Is talking about extra-judical, extrordiary, or enhanched Punishment for the president and administration patriotic (of course it is) or even legal (probably not)?
I''d like to discuss it anyway as I have no means of carrying it out, It should not be considered a threat. Remember America does not torture but waterboarding and sodomy (real or threated) is OK in this discussion.
Mukasey and cheney and ... and... and.. say all that harsh stuff is perfectly legal and ok as long as you aren''t doing it for the sake of doing it or for entertainment. You must have a valid reason for doing it such as finding out all of the illegal activies they have been involved in or "protecting America" to be legal. Is that an accurate opinion Mr. AG? - Reply to this comment
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