Comments on: Fla. Gay Adoption Ban Dealt Legal Blow

Miami Judge Rules There Is "No Rational Basis" For Prohibiting Gays From Adopting Children

[truthislife1]

In the U.S. we have freedom of religion. Freedom of religion means that nobody has to believe what you wrote above. Therefore, your above claims hold no authority are useless in a discussion of how people of varied religions can coexist peacefully and can not be codified into U.S. law without violating the Constitution.

Posted by bedwetter777

You are correct, nobody has to believe in God''s word at all.

[andor3]

"I can''''t help but wonder if the parents have a right not to have their children placed with homosexuals. "

Any parent who would prevent their child from going to a loving home because of their biases and bigotry has no business deciding anything for their children. Do you have kids?

[andor3]

"It is called the Word of God. "

Do NOT hide your cowardice behind some god. No religion condones judging others, and your bigotry is WRONG and if you are religious your prejudice is SIN--make no mistake.

So for all the people who say *** shouldn''t adopt a child because they need a mother and a father... ummm, where do you you think gay people came from? Here is a wild notion, they came from heterosexual parents. Well, by golly, let''s not allow heterosexuals to procreate or adopt because they are the ones producing little baby homosexuals. Jeez, when are we going to grow up and get over these issues?

[summarex]

I can''t help but wonder if the parents have a right not to have their children placed with homosexuals.
maybe the purpose of this sort of garbage is to thoroughly indignate people in this country to the point where they take up arms.

[bedwetter777]

There is an unfair advantage against you. It is called the Word of God. Cultures will never re-define marriage, they may mis-interpret marriage but it will never be re-defined. Cultures may not acknowledge the origin of marriage, but it will never be re-defined. Cultures may not acknowledge the Word of God, but its definition is rooted and grounded in Gods Word just as much as everybody that is born has a head, or a heart. ---truthislife1 at 11:46 PM

In the U.S. we have freedom of religion. Freedom of religion means that nobody has to believe what you wrote above. Therefore, your above claims hold no authority are useless in a discussion of how people of varied religions can coexist peacefully and can not be codified into U.S. law without violating the Constitution.

[bedwetter777]

dude1961 at 10:32 PM
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At one time in the U.S. the word "voter" was defined as rich, white, male landowner. In the same way that we have rightly, and for the better, redefined the word "voter" to be inclusive of women and all races, we, as a nation, can also redefine the the word "marriage" to be inclusive of same s3x couples. At one time inter-racial marriages were illegal, and we overcame that limited definition of marriage too. We don''t have to be locked into bigoted definitions of these words just because of our history.

Also, you personally aren''t being forced to enter a same-s3x marriage or even change your personal definition of marriage. All you are being asked to do is to not impose your definition on others by refusing them their right to define marriage as they prefer, same as you. There may be religions that you think are false and do not deserve to be defined as religions, but the State defines them as religions that have tax exempt status. If there is such a thing as a true religion, then there can be only one true religion, but the State can''t take sides on that issue and limit the definition of religion to only one brand of faith. Likewise, same-s3x marriage is a freedom of religion issue if a faith chooses to recognise them.

[skiluuver]

Gay rights advocates display a total lack of respect for their fellow Citizens in their attempts to FORCE OTHERS to accept their beliefs and practices.
Posted by Caeric

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How? In what are they FORCING you to "accept" their beliefs? That is the same as saying that just because someone has the legal right to vote as a citizen that they are "forcing" their politics on you. It''s a RIGHT, that has NOTHING to do with YOUR beliefs...................

[skiluuver]

There is an unfair advantage against you. It is called the Word of God. Cultures will never re-define marriage, they may mis-interpret marriage but it will never be re-defined. Cultures may not acknowledge the origin of marriage, but it will never be re-defined. Cultures may not acknowledge the Word of God, but its definition is rooted and grounded in Gods Word just as much as everybody that is born has a head, or a heart.

Posted by truthislife1
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Marriage is a legal contract that has NOTHING to do with religion. Do you think that an atheist man and an atheist woman who are married by a judge without a minister are "married?" According to the law, they are. Religion and God are included in religious ceremonies that often accompany marriage, but they are add ons.

[swingset4u]

Wouldn''t want to forget about the Nuesbaumes in New York!

[truthislife1]

Yes, marriage is a term, with a definition. What you miss is that definition has changed through time and cultures. No group, and certainly no religion, has exclusive rights to that term or that definition.

Posted by Caeric


There is an unfair advantage against you. It is called the Word of God. Cultures will never re-define marriage, they may mis-interpret marriage but it will never be re-defined. Cultures may not acknowledge the origin of marriage, but it will never be re-defined. Cultures may not acknowledge the Word of God, but its definition is rooted and grounded in Gods Word just as much as everybody that is born has a head, or a heart.

[caeric]

The symbols I used to separate Dude''s comments from my own didn''t transfer. I''m sure you all can figure it out though.

Unfortunately, I too must leave. Good night all.

[kansas1946]

Gay rights advocates are NOT DENIED equal protection under the law. They have ALL THE LEGAL RIGHTS of Marriage through CIVIL UNIONS.
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That is not true. You need to read the IRS code, the SS codes, end of life law, etc.

[caeric]

Gay rights advocates display a total lack of respect for their fellow Citizens in their attempts to FORCE OTHERS to accept their beliefs and practices.

Let me show you the problem with this statement. Just change ''gay rights advocates'' to ''religious fundamentalists''. There you go.

The difference is in the supposed separation of church and state in this nation, and the fact that enforcing religion specific morality is a completely different animal than protecting civil rights.

Marriage is a TERM. It has a definition describing that term. *** DESIRE to CHANGE THE MEANING OF THE TERM. This IS NOT ABOUT LEGAL RIGHTS!

Yes, marriage is a term, with a definition. What you miss is that definition has changed through time and cultures. No group, and certainly no religion, has exclusive rights to that term or that definition.

When we, as a society, have bundled the religious and the civil into one term, it is only natural to discuss the issues in relation to that term.

Personally, I would prefer the government to issue ''civil unions'' exclusively, and leave ''marriage'' to the various religions. Each religion could then determine whether it would bless same gender couples.

[voidmaster-2009]

It is not amusing how the crusaders boldly take the room the moment the champions of justice leave?

Dude, had I the time, I would take apart your diatribe and show you what shame and guilt really feel like. But I will leave it at this: You are wrong about gay rights advocates being the most militant enemy you have. I am.

Enjoy yourself.

[yeswedid]

By commenting negatively upon those who would dare stand up for civil rights, *you* actually grouped women, blacks and many others into a collective that you are trying to convince every else is perverted somehow.

Posted by VoidMaster at 10:17 PM : Nov 25, 2008
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Yes, thank you for replying to yet another foolish comment by downstreamJim VoidMaster. I was busy & couldn''t reply. I am just so tired of such ignorant, unthoughtful comments being posted. It''s highly irritating.

[dude1961-2009]

Gay rights advocates are NOT DENIED equal protection under the law. They have ALL THE LEGAL RIGHTS of Marriage through CIVIL UNIONS.

What is "really" at the crux of the issue is Gay Shame and their desire to co-opt the "term", Marriage, in order to absolve their guilt.

Gay rights advocates display a total lack of respect for their fellow Citizens in their attempts to FORCE OTHERS to accept their beliefs and practices.

Marriage is a TERM. It has a definition describing that term. *** DESIRE to CHANGE THE MEANING OF THE TERM. This IS NOT ABOUT LEGAL RIGHTS!

We could advocate switching the meaning of ''right to wrong'' and ''wrong to right''. But we don''t. Even if a vocal minority group wish it to be so.

We call Girls a girl and Boys a boy for cultural reasons. We could change those terms too, if we want. But we don''t.

We could change the side of the road we drive on from the Right Lane to the Left Lane. But we don''t.

Gay rights advocates are the single most Militant Fascist minority groups in the country. And their ''cause'' is corrosive to our society in many ways. This is NOT to suggest that they do not deserve equal protection under the law. They do.

Many of these issues are NOT ABOUT LAW but GAY GUILT AND SHAME.

[voidmaster-2009]

Anyone can walk into a room, look around and see a score of demons. That is nothing more than moving *through* the Void. But mastering the Void; now that takes being able to tell which one or two of the demons are real -- and developing the discipline not to pet them.

G-nite all. Gotta work on my web site.

[skiluuver]

"there is "a supposed dark cloud hovering over homes of homosexuals and their children."

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No pun intended, but could the legal counsel for the State of Florida actually say this with a "straight" face??? Those watching in the courtroom undoubtedly shot pop or milk our their noses and bendtover in peals of laughter..........HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAH! HAHAHAHA! It''s the Three Stooges representing the state of Florida!!

[mensarino]

To all of you---thanks and goodnight----Lakers are on TV out here.