Comments on: Bob Jones U. Apologizes For Racism

S.C. School Says Culture Rather Than Biblical Teachings Led To Institutional Racist Policies

[perk235]

Now that you COMMIES got your Arabic/Muslim whacko for president you think you have the right to limit choices of education, values, and even thoughts?
Posted by Rowdydfw at 11:50 AM : Nov 22, 2008
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I wholeheartedly support the 1st amendment. I am commenting on an institution that purports one thing and does another, and bases this on biblical text.

Regarding federal aid, I was pointing out that if someone else uses the argument that they are a private institution, the line is not so neatly drawn. I never based my arguments on whether they received federal support or not.

[perk235]

Posted by Rowdydfw at 11:50 AM : Nov 22, 2008
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Calling people names is not the best support of an argument.

I am arguing against how an organization can claim in their mission statement to be based on biblical text, while at the same time having rules that they now say were not based on biblical text.

I am arguing against churches using biblical text for women to do and not do all sorts of things, *** that are demon possessed, inferior African Americans due to Ham''s curse, etc. All of these are argued to be absolute truths because they are based on the bible.

My argument is to point out the hypocrisy of the mission statement and the actions of this institution.

[blitzder]

Bob Jones is not the only one, there are many other institutions in the country with similar racist beliefs. They are just not so overt, they operate in the subliminal wink & nod mode for admissions and pursue the same exclusionary practices.

[caldwellptr]

It''s not like asking for forgiveness and receiving it means anything.

[caldwellptr]

If no one here need apologize for their over the top comments, why should Bob Jones University?

[lindh4]

Theology: A study and description of the unknown - in terms not worth knowing.

[wdrussell1]

Hey, BJU. Just apologize for calling yourselves Christians. That will cover everything.

[perk235]

It''''s always easy to look back with some form of so-called enlightenment on a situation like this. This is how it was up to that time. The situation has been changed. Apologies aren''''t necessary at this point in history. Are we demanding black Africans who started the slave trade to white Europeans to apologize for all the racism and human slave trade of their own kind they instigated? Of course not, since we all know that only whites created the slave trade and all of its tangential issues.
Posted by Credibility2 at 11:17 AM : Nov 22, 2008
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White people are the reason for the Jim Crow laws, including lynching. I don''t consider that to be "tangential".

[perk235]

Bob Jones'' mission statement includes: Biblical values are integrated in every classroom and every other part of the educational process.

And it is interesting to see just what they interpret those biblical values to be. As a fundamentalist those values will be absolute truth. Unless the power of hindsight turns them into cultural pressures, that is.

[credibility2]

It''s always easy to look back with some form of so-called enlightenment on a situation like this. This is how it was up to that time. The situation has been changed. Apologies aren''t necessary at this point in history. Are we demanding black Africans who started the slave trade to white Europeans to apologize for all the racism and human slave trade of their own kind they instigated? Of course not, since we all know that only whites created the slave trade and all of its tangential issues.

[cwbyht]

Bob Jones is a fine University and I applaud their biblical worldview. Got a problem with that? Too bad.

[perk235]

Oh for pete''''s sakes!!! How ridiculous!

It''''s a private institution funded by private money! Set whatever damned rules you want!
Posted by Rowdydfw at 10:31 AM : Nov 22, 2008
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So their students don''t apply for federal aid? Bob Jones doesn''t receive federal grants? Bob Jones doesn''t get a tax break, and therefore support from tax payers?

It is the support of this rule by biblical texts and christian values that upsets people. Fundamentalist churches believe the bible literally which means they make absolute truth arguments for what they believe. To try and push this off as a cultural belief they had, but that everything else they believe is founded in biblical text (of course), is commented on.

[perk235]

I think Bob Jones U has a lot to apologize for besides this...
Posted by presjfk at 10:18 AM : Nov 22, 2008
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Yes, if you listen to sermons on the Bob Jones radio station in Greenville, SC, you can currently hear the subjugation of women.

Biblical texts are used to support this as well, just as these churches used the story of Noah''s son, Ham, to support subjugation of African Americans so they could retain privilege. No church will admit this now, of course.

If churches really lived the red-letters of the bible, they would have been at the forefront of the marches for de-segregation.

What makes people angry is when an institution has "The goal of the administration, faculty, and staff is to equip its students for a lifetime of service to Christ" and yet holds fast to tenants such as
prohibiting interracial dating into the 21st century.

It highlights sanctimonious hypocrisy.

[excoachken]

A decision, obviously made in an attempt to be stylish and without any deep seated conviction.

[perk235]

I am sorry that happened at your church but it certainly cannot be applied to all "fundamental" churches. My experience at my fundamental church was the opposite. My best friend growing up was a different color and neither one of us nor our parents cared. I grew up in Sunday School singing the following song: Jesus loves the little children; all the children of the world; red and yellow black and white; they are precious in his sight; Jesus loves the little children of the world!
Posted by AmerOSeas at 07:30 AM : Nov 22, 2008
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I grew up singing the same song in my church. Church is the one of the most segregated places, even today. Those people enraged over de-segragation were good Christians folks, no matter what they sang or canted in church.

Fundamentalists base what they do in their lives on the readings of the bible. To do that, they have to explain current culture. This includes explaining the effects of the Jim Crow laws.

The biblical story of Ham, Noah''s son with the mark of the curse, was used by more than one fundamentalist church as biblical dogma (absolute truth).

People who say "just get over it" are usually those of privilege. The rule at Bob Jones, that reached even the 21st century, highlights the lengths to which we have gone to retain privilege.

[elpaulito]

who cares what he looked like. Didnt he say to love your fellow man, and never look down upon other people?

Thus "university" and the VAST majority of churches prefer to ignore this, and carry on with hate mongering and racism like the maggot known as "YBotherAtAll". Please go back to the stone age.

[ameroseas]

tostep3:

I think you are confusing me with those whom I addressed. Read my posts and you will see. I haven''t commented on Jesus'' hair length. You are right though. We do not know the length of Jesus'' hair. We can be certain he never used his hair length as a sign of rebellion, which I know people do today because I did that for a time in my teen years.

[presjfk]

I think Bob Jones U has a lot to apologize for besides this...

[biggestbtc]

"Jesus never married, had long hair like a girl, and an unnaturally close relationship with his mother.

He surrounded himself with male companions who were often kissed directly on the lips.

He had an obsession with the feet of both s-e-xes, never missing an opportunity to wash them.

When he was arrested, he was followed by a scantily-clad youth.

What would you call Jesus if he was alive today?"



We need to remember that no one today knows what Jesus looked like. The medieval artists who painted Jesus were apparently free to express their perceptions of what he might have looked like, whether the artists be gay or not.

If you knew that you were going to die when you were in your early thirties, would you marry? The life that Jesus lived would have been very hard had he been married.

Remember, Jesus lived in different culture. People kissed more back then. And his male companions were his disciples whom he taught and from whom later came influential leaders in the early church.

And in reply to your foot washing statements: We have one instance recorded in the gospels where Jesus washed the disciples feet. This was done to show the "full extent of his love" because he as their Lord was doing the lowly job of a servant. He never washed the feet of a woman, or at least it is not recorded. He did have a woman wash his feet however.

So remember: Jesus lived in a culture radically different from ours and we do not know what he looked like.
Listen to Him

[tostep3]

AmerOSeas.....

How do you or anyone else know how long Jesus''s hair was?

Just because he is often depicted as such, does not make it true...