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Wife Of Suspected Drug Dealer Allegedly Shot FBI Agent During Pa. Raid
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- Since police are not the only ones who use police tactics these days, people sometimes do not know what they don''t know. I for one, would not care to be the on one side of the door while the person on the other thinks I am just some common Mexican drug gang hoodlum pretending to be a cop in SWAT gear. A piece of paper might say I have a right to do what I am doing, but can that piece of paper stop a bullet? It can not. Therefore, I think it incumbent on the "paper_pusher" to find someway to prevail without getting people KILLED--including the cop, the suspect/s, or the suspects'' children-merely wishing it--will not make it happen.
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- I guess the police are in a no win(no knock) situation when they are trying to catch the bad guys with their pants down (so to speak). Perhaps this is something like reverse collateral damage. And, as we all know, when they (police) inflict direct collateral damage, they just laugh it off and that is that. So if by definition you are trying to sneak up on someone---by not telling them who you are--- wouldn''t you expect to be on the wrong side of a firearm from time to time.
In my state, you learn at an early age--to never threaten someone with deadly force unless you are ready for their response. When the police break down someones door without warning, they are threating someone with deadly force. - Reply to this comment
- this raid was a mistake..raids in residential sectors should NOT be done in the morning..away from children..
Posted by obamasNUTZ
Agreed 100%. Especially when the FBI is involved as they don''t generally advertise their presence quite as spectacularly as the local cops. - Reply to this comment
- Nice post. Thanks. Question is, should the woman be held without bail? Given the laws in this country, I''m not even sure she''''s guilty of anything if she didn''t know what her husband was doing.
Posted by usclimey at 04:35 PM : Nov 20, 2008
That "suspicion" thing, ya know. She could be telling the truth and have absolutely no knowledge of her husband''s dealings, and she would still be held on "suspicion".
That tool is useful enough that giving it up for one person isn''t worth it.
Besides, might be best to hold her until things cool down a little. Vigilante civilians - and cops - are not unheard of.
Especially not after a year or so of powerful people running around talking about who is and is not a "real American" - or even a terrorist.
And with gun sales skyrocketing as a result... - Reply to this comment
- Poorly planned, poorly executed, poorly lead.
Posted by ibsteve2u
Nice post. Thanks. Question is, should the woman be held without bail? Given the laws in this country, I''m not even sure she''s guilty of anything if she didn''t know what her husband was doing. - Reply to this comment
- in los angeles i am not sure if you heard of the battering ram hitting the wrong houses..
Posted by obamasNUTZ
Yeah, I lived in LA for 25 years - I remember one of those, not to mention numerous debateable shootings during such raids. If I remember the cops won''t even pay for damages. - Reply to this comment
- my point is..you cannot argue that the gun agrivated this situation..
the police just have to match what the crimianls have
Posted by obamasNUTZ
One report early on said the FBI guy didn''t even have a gun. Not sure how true that is. - Reply to this comment
- OK gunnies, here''s another relatively normal situation aggravated by the presence of a gun. What''s y''all''s take on this one?
Posted by usclimey at 03:53 PM : Nov 20, 2008
Methinks it is more appropriate to say it is a situation exacerbated by drugs and drug laws.
Dealers - and the people who live with them - no doubt know that they are prime targets for often homicidal robberies. The thought, of course, is "What is the dealer going to do - call the cops?".
That fact leads to itchy trigger fingers, especially if someone feels the need or duty to protect children.
Methinks the cops should have phoned ahead rather than bust the door down, particularly since children were involved.
And particularly since in an hour or so the kids likely would have gone off to school.
Either they had enough to bust the guy from their "sweep", or they didn''t. Busting in just to get evidence gets people hurt...and it is sadly not unheard of for the cops to bust into the wrong house, to boot.
Poorly planned, poorly executed, poorly lead. - Reply to this comment
- every right has responsibilies and accountability attached to it..everybody should have the right to bear arms..but doing so does not dismiss you of your responsibilities that comes when you carry a firearm and rifle..
Posted by obamasNUTZ
So you would contend that it is up to the homeowner to ascertain who the intruder is before shooting? - Reply to this comment
- btw..how would you run a raid?? with a flyswater? do drug dealers have flyswaters too?? how has a bigger flyswatter??
how about your limey?? do you have a flyswater?
Posted by obamasNUTZ
No, but I have two very big Rottweilers who wouldn''t take too kindly to being woken up by a stranger at six in the morning. - Reply to this comment
- go fish for a debate by the sewers..if you are looking for your kind of fish..sh*t
Posted by obamasNUTZ
NUTZ is right. - Reply to this comment
- Shave her head! That way, it''''ll be easier to electrocute her!
Posted by tj217
Execute her for making use of her 2nd Amendment rights? Hmmm that''s interesting. - Reply to this comment
- I would be inclined not to believe this women if I could forget about Ruby Ridge and Waco.
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- OK gunnies, here''s another relatively normal situation aggravated by the presence of a gun. What''s y''all''s take on this one?
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