Comments on: Across U.S., Thousands Protest Gay Ban

Advocates March Following Passage Of Calif.'s Prop. 8 Rescinding Rights Of Same-Sex Marriage

[guysdigdirt]

How many Mormons have they been on manhunts for in the last few years for having multiple wives? True, the official church line is the church doesn''''t support polygamy, but after a 100 years or so some parishioners apparently haven''''t got that e-mail yet.
Posted by Questionnews

None, no Mormons are polygamists. You can say you are a Mormon, that does not make it true.

[guysdigdirt]

I think it''''s pretty *** funny that the Mormon church - the Polygamist church - has injected 20 million of the 40 million spent in California in support of prop 8. You''''d think these folks would have some empathy for a differing view of marriage.
Posted by Insurgeon1

That is what you get for thinking. Get educated first then pop-off. The Mormons do not believe in polygamy.

[guysdigdirt]

The lie of "Separate but equal" continues. It is the stain and the shame of America.
Posted by dburfears

If marriage has always been one man and one woman, how is it unequal not to change the definition of the word to accomdate someone''s desire?

How is equality entered into with all of this?

[dburfears]

It never changes. It just evolves from one group to another over time.

Those who are in the majority want to create a minority with fewer civil liberties than they have. it is disgusting, but America has done it over and over again

Chinese

Blacks

Catholics

Hispanics

Italians

Jews

Germans

Irish

All were treated as second class citizens by the majority- they were denied everything from basic freedoms to the right to own property. Whites and hispanics were killed for getting married in the 1800''s. Blacks and whites were killed for marriage in the last century. Bigotry, fear, ignorance, and hate abound.

Yet today we again have people who, based on their "religion", will do away with the life , liberty, and pursuit of happiness of others who are "different" in their eyes.

Shame on my country. Shame on those who mistakenly consider themselves "Christian". For they are neither true to Christian ideas or good Americans. They are the worst of humanity- the fearful and the bigoted.

The lie of "Separate but equal" continues. It is the stain and the shame of America.

[questionnews]

Where did you come up with this lie. I am LDS (Mormon), and I can tell you emphatically that the church doesn''''t support polygamy. Get your facts straight. Polygamy was abolished in the late 1800s.

Posted by radbean at 03:34 PM : Nov 17, 2008

How many Mormons have they been on manhunts for in the last few years for having multiple wives? True, the official church line is the church doesn''t support polygamy, but after a 100 years or so some parishioners apparently haven''t got that e-mail yet.

[radbean]

You shouldn''''''''t be surprised. Men control the church & what man would want to give up the scenario where he can have a half dozen women in bed with him at the same time. It''''''''s the standard penthouse fantasy. 99% of men dream of having multiple women at the same time.
If it weren''''''''t for the whole religious thing, he!! I''''''''d be Mormon.

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Where did you come up with this lie. I am LDS (Mormon), and I can tell you emphatically that the church doesn''t support polygamy. Get your facts straight. Polygamy was abolished in the late 1800s.

[wl7bzh]

I was hedonistic a minute ago.

I had a breakfast sandwich, and I did not even bother to rinse off the plate after I was done.

Posted by forever1973 at 09:00 AM : Nov 17, 2008

A bachelor huh?

Me, I like to sleep on the couch. It''s kinda like pretending you''re married.

[4marlene]

"We are the American family, we live next door to you, we teach your children, we take care of your elderly," said Heather Baker a special education teacher from Boston who addressed the crowd at Boston''s City Hall Plaza. "We need equal rights across the country."

Teaching our children about gay marriage is a waste of taxpayers money and a waste of time. Special education teachers should be working harder to get the kids caught up to peer grades, not teaching sexx to these little ones who are already challenged enough. Regular ed kids need to learn about how to make a living. Teaching sexx to kids under age 12 is stupid. Ban the subject of marriage in schools altogether!!! That is the job of parents. You want marriage in schools then bring back prayer in schools. Marriage is a sacred union (religious) so you want seperation of church and state, ban the topic of marriage in schools PERIOD. Make it illegal. Just like prayer is banned.

[questionnews]

I think it''''s pretty *** funny that the Mormon church - the Polygamist church - has injected 20 million of the 40 million spent in California in support of prop 8. You''''d think these folks would have some empathy for a differing view of marriage.

Posted by Insurgeon1 at 12:54 PM : Nov 17, 2008

You shouldn''t be surprised. Men control the church & what man would want to give up the scenario where he can have a half dozen women in bed with him at the same time. It''s the standard penthouse fantasy. 99% of men dream of having multiple women at the same time.
If it weren''t for the whole religious thing, he!! I''d be Mormon.

[bks59]

resource sited is Wikipedia.

[bks59]

It is about the Government sanctioned rights and priveleges and has nothing to do with your religion or marriage.

According to the United States Government Accountability Office (GAO), there are over a thousand federal laws that treat married people differently from single people. It should be noted that these rights and responsibilities apply only to male-female married couples, as the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) defines marriage as between a man and a woman and thus bars same-*** couples from receiving any federal recognition of same *** marriage or conveyance of marriage benefits to same *** couples through federal marriage law.

Prior to the enactment of DOMA, the General Accounting Office (as the GAO was then called) identified 1,049 [1] federal statutory provisions in which benefits, rights, and privileges are contingent on marital status or in which marital status is a factor. An update was published in 2004 by the GAO covering the period between September 21, 1996 (when DOMA was signed into law) and December 31, 2003. The update identified 120 new statutory provisions involving marital status, and 31 statutory provisions involving marital status repealed or amended in such a way as to eliminate marital status as a factor. This yields a total of 1,138 [2] provisions in which marital status is a factor in determining benefits, rights, and privileges.

See below for a partial list of these provisions of federal law.

[hippychicky-2009]

Do it before the elections. Doing it after the elections will not have near the impact. The public has short memories.

Posted by Questionnews

I agree with you, and I think there alot of issues that are being hashed out and addressed. The LGBT community needs to be aware, and vigilant in the task.
This seems like a good stepping stone.

[questionnews]

We rallied in Asheville, and it was positive and upbeat. There was no lashing out or boo hooing.
We just have to keep pushing forward, and educating.
It will happen, whether the majority likes it or not.

Posted by hippychicky at 11:35 AM : Nov 17, 2008

That works!!
May I suggest that you also have an educational rally near the time that the next elections in Cal or any other state take place. The rallies & protest of today will be forgotten by the time the next election comes around. Do it before the elections. Doing it after the elections will not have near the impact. The public has short memories.

[hippychicky-2009]

You see, it''''s all about me.

Honor my choice of the day.

Or else.

Posted by doorgunner3

I have tried to help you understand, but maybe you are incapable. I will light a candle for you instead.

[hippychicky-2009]

Maybe not in the pictures, but if this board is any indication of their pulse, there is plenty boo hoo ing & lashing out. There have been alot of insulting & over the top attacks against those that didn''''t vote they way they wanted them to. And I know you have seen them.
Posted by Questionnews

We rallied in Asheville, and it was positive and upbeat. There was no lashing out or boo hooing.
We just have to keep pushing forward, and educating.
It will happen, whether the majority likes it or not.

[questionnews]

I''''m not Boo Hooing, the closest I get to this subject is supporting the opinions of my g a y brother.

I also get a kick out of seeing all you righties getting your panties in a wad when the g a y community starts making some noise. Are you afraid your kids are going to see these demonstrations on TV and ask you what g a y is?

Too Funny.

Posted by mytoosense at 11:22 AM : Nov 17, 2008

Gee I hope you''re not implying I''m a righty or have you not read any of my previous posts. The Gay marriage vote was a set back, but get over it & start planning to win the next one. Look forward & realize that when the vote goes the way you want, it will be ever more sweet. I''m just not one to whine & cry if the first round didn''t go my way. I look forward with a plan to win the next one. A better place to put you energy.

[mytoosense]

Get off the Boo Hoo wagon and start planning a way to win the next election with the use of enlightenment & education, not by insulting & degrading other people.
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Posted by Questionnews

I''m not Boo Hooing, the closest I get to this subject is supporting the opinions of my g a y brother.

I also get a kick out of seeing all you righties getting your panties in a wad when the g a y community starts making some noise. Are you afraid your kids are going to see these demonstrations on TV and ask you what g a y is?

Too Funny.

[questionnews]

I have never thought that calling a racist a racist was over the top. I don''''t think, in this case, calling a bigot a bigot is over the top. Fear and hatred prevailed in California. It is not the first time in this country''''s history that fear and hatred prevailed, and it will not be the last. It is when brave Americans such as those you see on the streets protesting Prop 8, stand up and call it what it is, that people will start thinking about it and seeing it for what it really is: fear and hatred.

Posted by RationalTalk at 11:11 AM : Nov 17, 2008

So how best can you get them to see things in a different way. By belittling, insulting & degrading them?? Or by using calm logic, engaging dialog & reasoned convictions??
That should not be a hard question to answer, but apparently a very difficult path to follow.

[rationaltalk]

There have been alot of insulting & over the top attacks against those that didn''''t vote they way they wanted them to. And I know you have seen them.

Posted by Questionnews at 11:07 AM : Nov 17, 2008

I have never thought that calling a racist a racist was over the top. I don''t think, in this case, calling a bigot a bigot is over the top. Fear and hatred prevailed in California. It is not the first time in this country''s history that fear and hatred prevailed, and it will not be the last. It is when brave Americans such as those you see on the streets protesting Prop 8, stand up and call it what it is, that people will start thinking about it and seeing it for what it really is: fear and hatred.

[questionnews]

I don''''t see any "boo hoo''''ing" in the video of these protests. I see brave Americans joined together to protest injustice and to demand equality. This is in the tradition of Gandhi, MLK, etc. It is the way movements gain momentum, by brining people of good conscience together and re-affirming their beliefs that they will indeed overcome. This is a key first step in organizing people, and re-affirming their commitment to educating and enlightening society, as you have suggested. Anger at injustice is a good thing--it spurs people into action.

Posted by RationalTalk at 10:59 AM : Nov 17, 2008

Maybe not in the pictures, but if this board is any indication of their pulse, there is plenty boo hoo ing & lashing out. There have been alot of insulting & over the top attacks against those that didn''t vote they way they wanted them to. And I know you have seen them.