Comments on: 8-Year-Old Arizona Boy Kills Father

Police Investigating Possible Abuse As Motive In Double-Murder; Father's Friend Also Killed

[slim1h2o]

Posted by jennmarie620 at 07:40 AM : Nov 09, 2008

Sorry, according to the article, the kid used a .22, which has less recoil, than a shotgun. And also, is much lighter than a shotgun as well.

So, an average sized 8 year old can hold up a .22 rifle.

Which by the way, is what I learned on when I was 8.

[jennmarie620]

I have an eight year old daughter, and I cannot even begin to understand how ANYONE can think an eight year old is qualified to be charged as an adult in ANY crime.

Yes, it''s a horrible tragedy and almost incomprehensible to think that an eight year old picked up a shotgun and killed two people with it - almost TOO incomprehensible.

My first thought was, can an eight year old REALLY hold a shotgun steady - let alone pull the trigger and withstand the recoil? I''m a 26 year old adult and can barely stand the recoil on a shotgun.

And for police to question an eight year old child without representation is a completely misuse of power on their part.

I am ashamed of what is happening to this country, its justice system, and life in general. To live in a country where an eight year old child will be charged in a crime whose punishment will be life in prison ...

... I believe that''s what some would call overkill ... and the psychological community would call insane.

[ffoulkes-2009]

That is just about the STU.PID.EST thing I have ever heard! How are your little rods going to save you from the government? Sure, if a cop or two comes by and threatens you, you can shoot them. But then MORE will come until you are eventually dead. Or, if the citizens get too *** uppity with their guns, the government can just bomb you out of existence. How are your stupid little pea shooters going to protect you from that? Are you going to get your OWN nukes? Do you have your OWN satelite and communications systems? Do you have YOUR OWN air force, army, navy, marines, etc? NO!

You are living in a sick, violent and self-defeating fantasy world! It''''s time to GROW UP!

Posted by IDNNSG at 07:20 AM : Nov 09, 2008
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I agree...we shouldn''t be limited to just rifles, pistols and shotguns...fully automatic machineguns, tanks, aircraft, anti aircraft and missiles should be available too, right?

[shameonbush]

There is no way that child should be tried as an adult. Hello, he''s eight.

[cbs_bull]

This tragedy is more an irresponsible parent issue than a gun issue. Please don''t use it to push your political agenda. (Don''t know why. The ABC News doesn''t allow me to post this on their site.)

[flolake]

buckfush500:

I like yer screen name!(;

[ffoulkes-2009]

Guns don''''t kill people.

People with guns kill people.

Posted by forever1973 at 11:08 PM : Nov 08, 2008
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.........and people with knives kill people
.........and people with baseball bats kill people
.........and people with pipes kill people
.........and people with sticks, rocks, cars, tall places, ropes, belts, bikini tops, wires, etc.......
We can''t totally disarm the nation...Everything can be used as a weapon. We need to teach people to use firearms responsibly, to teach the kids to use them properly and when to use them (apparently this lesson was not tought well enough)...not take them all away.

[caitlinndad]

I am sure an 8 year-old killing people is ok with the gun huggers. Because without a gun, how else could he kill them?
sounds right to me .

[bobgee_1999]

Oh for Christ''s sake, this isn''t a 2nd Amendment story, you imbeciles. Knock it off. And just for the record, Hitler did NOT take away anyone''s guns; lies invalidate any argument. Private gun ownership was abolished by the previous Weimar Republic in 1933. For that matter, the "right to bear arms" was never a widespread liberty to begin with, elsewhere in the world. I''m a gun owner, and there are quite a number of things I think are vastly more important.

The fact that these dopes always pop up with their ill-informed opinions (religious nuts always comment on science stories, gun freaks always comment on stuff like this) demonstrates poor reading comprhension & critical thinking skills.

No 8-year old should be in any way exposed to dangerous weapons. Children are not simply short adults; they are mentally, emotionally and judgementally undeveloped. That''s why they require parenting, and why parenting is a 24/7 occupation that very very few are qualified for or interested in.

[tmittelstaed]

"...I''ll tell you what the problem is: American culture has changed dramatically going back 40 years but even more so in the last 15. Video games celebrate crime..."

Rot and rubbish. American culture is not responsible for an 8 year old''s view of the world. That boy''s view of the world is a result of his PARENTS.

Where is the mother? Why did the father have full custody? I''ll bet the reality is that mother is a white trash druggie tramp that the divorce court couldn''t even find enough redeeming value in to even give her partial custody, and the father had major anger control issues and solved every argument by slapping the kid around, or shooting up stuff.

[gatofeo]

The problem isn''t guns. I shot my first .22 rifle when I was 6, and my father taught me gun safety from the beginning.
I''ll tell you what the problem is: American culture has changed dramatically going back 40 years but even more so in the last 15.
Video games celebrate crime and violence upon others. Kids think being a pimp, drug dealer or assailant are cool. There is no personal responsibility.
There was a time when adults -- parents, teachers, relatives and even neighbors -- could immediately stop bad behavior with a slap on the hand or spanking.
Not anymore!
How much you want to bet that 8-year-old had violent video games and watched VH1 or MTV.
I can hear the arguments against this already, so I have a little project to prove you wrong.
If kids aren''t swayed and behaviorally modified by what''s on TV, video games and movies, then let''s start pumping out a message of, "Throw a brick through your neighbor''s window!"
After tens of thousands of windows are replaced, I think you''ll believe differently.

[W.W. Terry]

The boy didn''t shoot his father and his father''s friend because he felt loved. Who knows the full story. Maybe time will tell. This reminds me of a boy about his age some 26 years ago just north of Fresno, Cal. His mother and her boyfriend were trash. The boy had no friends and I didn''t befriend him. One evening the boy ran out into traffic and was killed. He had committed suicide. I feel sorrow for that kid and wish I had reached out to him. Caio! wwterry

[rsmik]

According to news reports, the father bought his son a rifle and taught him to shoot prairie dogs. So maybe the kid just wanted bigger prey.

[forever1973]

Guns don''t kill people.

People with guns kill people.

[toobigtofail]

we dont yet know the facts. the 8 year old may have been acting in self defense. and even if his self defensive behavior might not be justfieable for an adult or a teenager, it may well be "reasonable'' from the perspective of an 8 year old. or possibly this incident has nothing to do with abuse or self defense, we just dont know.

so you all, on the right and on the left, just hold your fire!

btw, im a lib dem who supports the 2nd amendment!

[toolmangler-2009]

this is what you deserve when your child has easy access to your gun.
Posted by phoenixandy at 08:34 PM : Nov 08, 2008


Especially if you cause them to hate instead of respect you.......

[toolmangler-2009]

Any person that is more afraid of a thing (guns) than another person is a fool that deserves no freedom. People are the only fearsome things in the world.

[loppyloo]

I just can''t believe that it is legal to try an 8 year old as an adult! There is NOTHING adult about an 8 year old and in this case where there is no previous indication of sociopathy/antisocial behavior or other disorder that would lead someone to believe that there is something inherently wrong and un-fixable about this boy. An 8 y.o. who does something like this either has a reason or does not understand his actions, and possibly both. To try this kid for pre-meditated murder would be a crime.

[caliengineer]

Gun ownership is necessary to protect the citizens of ANY nation from the menace of un-checked government. Anyone who pretends to themselves that guns are for "home defense" against burglars, or for shooting groundhogs, has become nothing more than a talking box for government propaganda.

Feeling wise and superior in their position, they show themselves fools to those who really understand.

Lenin took away guns. Hitler took away guns. Tens of millions of people died. Compare that to the small number of tragedies.

[atlanta1962]

to bad that state worried about gay marriage and trying to get mccain in the white house yes that child was out the womb, he was on his own