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- I did not misqoute:
Sullivan discovered the body of Mrs. Borden upstairs in the guest bedroom. Mr. and Mrs. Borden had both been killed by blows from a hatchet, which in the case of Andrew Borden, not only crushed his skull but cleanly split his left eyeball.[4]
(is that stated plainly or not??)
even though in reality her stepmother suffered 18[27] or 19[8] blows, her father 11.
(misqouted??)
The case was memorialized in a popular jump-rope rhyme:
Lizzie Borden took an axe
And gave her mother forty whacks.
And when she saw what she had done
She gave her father forty-one.
(jump-rope rhyme i learned in nursery school)
They were not killed by a gun. That is known.
To everyone else, sorry we got off topic, I will keep these children in my thoughts and prayers and wish them the best. - Reply to this comment
- OKAY WHATEVER WAS USED TO KILL THE BORDENS, BY WHOEVER KILLED THE BORDENS WASN''''T A GUN??
Is that more clear??
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Posted by meinnv at 06:11 PM : Oct 31, 2008
Would you please listen to me,, he doesn''t care how, why or what.
He will just turn it into some gun thing regardless what was used.
The story could be about a guy laughing to death, and schoolllord would turn it into a gun issue. - Reply to this comment
- "Lizzie Borden used an ax, gave her mother 30 or 40 whacks, then gave her father 31 or 41. Can''t remember that. But we all know she used an ax."
Posted by elcantante1 at 06:06 PM : Oct 31, 2008
Obviously my point is lost on you. I shall translate:
ACCORDING TO NURSERY RHYME LORE:
Lizzie Borden took an axe
And gave her mother forty whacks.
And when she saw what she had done
She gave her father forty-one.
OKAY WHATEVER WAS USED TO KILL THE BORDENS, BY WHOEVER KILLED THE BORDENS WASN''T A GUN??
Is that more clear?? - Reply to this comment
- Posted by meinnv at 05:59 PM : Oct 31, 2008
Exactly....listen to schoolllord no more, and do not repost to him, for you will be wanting to 40 whack your computer,,,,, if you keep it up
LOL
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Posted by slim1h2o at 06:04 PM : Oct 31, 2008
I tried to tell ya,,post no more to him. Or you will be whacking your computer with 40 whacks,,and another 50 more for good measure - Reply to this comment
- I thought this was about the children taken hostage. Please stay with the subject. Thank you.
Posted by antepamfe200 at 06:06 PM : Oct 31, 2008
You are correct, what I was trying to convey to one person who thinks banning guns is the answer, is that anything can be used as a weapon if someone is intent to do violence unto others. - Reply to this comment
- I didn''''t claim she did it, I recited a nursery school rhyme:
Lizzie Borden took an axe
And gave her mother forty whacks.
And when she saw what she had done
She gave her father forty-one.
Isn''t that the nursery rhyme, sure sounds like it to me. - Reply to this comment
- Are you trying to confuse me with slim??
Let me straighten this out:
1. WE KNOW THE BORDENS WERE KILLED WITH A HEAVY WEAPON
2. HATCHET FOUND, DETERMINED NOT TO BE THE "ACTUAL" MURDER WEAPON
3. LIZZIE WAS ACQUITTED, THOUGH EVERYBODY THOUGHT SHE WAS GUILTY
Unfortunately you can not argue with the court of public opinion. We are entitled to opinions.
But I can read wikipedia like you can.
If they were not hacked to death with some kind of "HATCHET LIKE WEAPON". How did they did, and what caused the injuries? - Reply to this comment
- I thought this was about the children taken hostage. Please stay with the subject. Thank you.
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- 1892, so even though they didn''''t have CSI''''s there, I am quite sure they knew the bordens were killed with some heavy weapon.
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Posted by meinnv at 05:59 PM : Oct 31, 2008
Exactly....listen to schoolllord no more, and do not repost to him, for you will be wanting to 40 whack your computer,,,,, if you keep it up
LOL - Reply to this comment
- So the hatchet was not proven to be the murder weapon. That''''s why they say "The fact that no murder weapon was found and no blood evidence was noted just a few minutes after the second murder pointed to reasonable doubt."
But the hatchet was found. Do you get it? "LOL"
Posted by elcantante1 at 06:00 PM : Oct 31, 2008
YES I GET IT!!!!! Geez you think I am an idiot because I am a female or something??
RIDDLE ME THIS THEN:
SO WHAT WEAPON CAUSED SUCH TRAUMA TO SPLIT SOMEONE''S EYEALL AND CRUSHED THEIR SKULL???
which in the case of Andrew Borden, not only crushed his skull but cleanly split his left eyeball.[4]
even though in reality her stepmother suffered 18[27] or 19[8] blows, her father 11
You''re qouting the same source I am, I can tell. So, surely you can tell the difference between hacked, stabbed and shot.
Do you understand what I am asking??? - Reply to this comment
- LOL slim, I have heard about schoollord and elcantante1
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- I didn''t claim she did it, I recited a nursery school rhyme:
Lizzie Borden took an axe
And gave her mother forty whacks.
And when she saw what she had done
She gave her father forty-one.
Getting back to the case itself. It would take a very heavy and strong weapon to cause such massive trauma. These were not small bullet wound holes, nor
"visible" stab wounds. These were blows caused by a heavy weapon. These murders were in 1892, so even though they didn''t have CSI''s there, I am quite sure they knew the bordens were killed with some heavy weapon. - Reply to this comment
- Posted by meinnv at 05:47 PM : Oct 31, 2008
He''''s not paying attention to you, he has his own agenda.
Go back and read my posts to him, and you will have the basic premise of what he''''s doing.
And let me add,,schoollord,aka elcantante1 wants all Americans disarmed.... - Reply to this comment
- A.J. Borden had been struck eleven times with a heavy edged weapon, his face almost unrecognizable from the blows. Abby Borden was later found upstairs, having been struck nineteen times, presumably with the same weapon. While not exactly the eighty-one whacks of legend, it was more than enough--in fact, both are believed to have been killed with the first blow.
And what about the blood? Even if, as some have conjectured, the fact that Mr. and Mrs. Borden died with the first blow reduced the amount of blood flow, the murder scenes were much less bloody than you''d expect. And wouldn''t the murderer''s clothes be covered with blood? In contrast to the murder weapon, which we have no real theory about, where the blood is concerned we have too many theories. - Reply to this comment
- Posted by meinnv at 05:47 PM : Oct 31, 2008
He''s not paying attention to you, he has his own agenda.
Go back and read my posts to him, and you will have the basic premise of what he''s doing. - Reply to this comment
- Sullivan discovered the body of Mrs. Borden upstairs in the guest bedroom. Mr. and Mrs. Borden had both been killed by blows from a hatchet, which in the case of Andrew Borden, not only crushed his skull but cleanly split his left eyeball.[4]
Ok, what kind of weapon crushes a skull and splits an eyeball?? I''m curious. - Reply to this comment
- No murder weapon was found so the claim a hatchet was used was never corroborated.
by schoollord....
They found the hatchet, and the hatchet they found had no trace(for the time) evidence on it. But they did find the hatchet, and it was proven by later dna, and forensices tests...
But at the time of the trial, they could not prove it. But everyone knew she had done it, at the time, just couldn''t prove it in court.... - Reply to this comment
- It is absolutely incorrect to insinuate that any increase in crime is a result of gun control. First, there is no evidence of that at all. Second, background checks which is a form of gun control, has prevented many criminals and insane people from getting guns. See how weak your claim is or is that to hard to understand?
Posted by elcantante1 at 05:35 PM : Oct 31, 2008
Ok, either you''re not reading what I stated or don''t comprehend it.
I was merely pointing out:
1. IN THE PAST THERE WAS LESS CONTROL AND LESS VIOLENCE (WAS THERE, OR WAS THERE NOT LESS CONTROL AND LESS VIOLENCE??)
2. WE NOW HAVE MORE CONTROL AND MORE VIOLENCE (YOU YOURSELF HAVE SAID WE HAVE INCREASED GUN VIOLENCE)
3. WE HAVE STRICT GUN CONTROL, WHICH IS NOT LESSENING THE VIOLENCE, AS THERE ARE MORE GUNS, MEANING MORE GUN DEATHS.
Sorry about the all caps, wanted to make sure everything was clear.
I was not claiming a single thing, but giving a history lesson. And it''s not hard to understand at all. But we did have less control in the past, as you said Clinton (1992-2000) signed stricter gun control laws during his presidency. I am talking about the gun violence prior to that and well back into our past. There was less control, and more people had easier access to guns than they do now. That shouldn''t be hard to understand. - Reply to this comment
- I understand facts, can appreciate them. However, not everyone is going to share the same appreciation and through their guns out. You sound like an intelligent person, bu please realize you must start at the source of the violence, and that is with the criminal.
I also appreciate life more than facts conducted in a lab or office. Which is why I should be able to protect me and my family the way I see fit. If I choose a gun to do so, fine, my choice. It is not like it is affecting you personally. Unless you try to break into my home.
In the wrong hands, anything can be a weapon.
People who seek to do violence will do it. A gun is easier to conceal and carry. Anyone determined enough will use whatever is at their disposal.
You start banning one thing, it leads to another, that is until there is nothing left to ban.
What about cops gone bad? They are supposed to protect us. Here in Las Vegas we have had cops go criminal, even while they were on the force. They used their "service" weapons.
Anyone who seeks to do violence, will do it. That can not be argued with. - Reply to this comment
- Posted by meinnv at 05:31 PM : Oct 31, 2008
Schoollord knows that,,,he''s just trolling,,,,and he''s an illegal alien activist. He thinks that all people who wants to come here, should be able to.
Regardless of what havoc it does to our economy.
Which is looking pretty shakey lately. But then again, that''s also what he wants, and Mexico wants too, the total disdruction of the U.S.
They''re still bitter about the Texas War for Independence, which had nothing to do with the U.S. at the time.
But tell that idiot that..... - Reply to this comment
