Comments on: Mexican Pot Gangs Pollute National Parks

Industrial Sized Grow Sites Are Destroying The Environment In America's Parks And Forests

[erb0087]

"Mexican Pot Gangs Pollute National Parks"

There hasn''t been a good Cheech and Chong movie out in a while.

This could supply some good plot lines.

[randaids]

I have smoked pot pretty much daily for the last 30 years. Helps me sleep. Even stoned I am more itelligent than 3/4 of the general public. I used to smoke at 6:00 AM, go to work and trade stock for a living, eventually managing the in house trading floor. Our government is ignoring a huge source of revenue by not legalizing, sales & income tax. Of course, if legalized it would eliminate one of the last few tax free businesses.

[Renegade.Rivers]

The illogical statements that some of you make, and the inaccuracies that you use to portray your side of the issue, is at best laughable. What it actually proves is that people who don''t know what they are talking about, should not be talking about things they don''t actually know about. Still you yammer on like your are an expert about a subject that you have little or no real knowledge of cannabis sative, and cannabis indica beyond what you have read in the "Just Say No," comic books your kid brings home from school.

[swiftcreek1]

taking profit out of it isn''t the only solution. When I was out of the country last year I had an opportunity to see how a few other countries handle illegal drugs. When you get off a plane in Taipei, Taiwan you are greated with a sign that let''s you know that illegal drugs are unacceptable. The sign reads "Possession or transport of illegal narcotics is punishable by death." So while I agree that we could go the way of Holland and perhaps solve some of the problem other nations have a much more draconian way of solving it. Both options have some merit, but the Taiwanese method does create a much greater disincentive to drug use. Marijuana these days isn''t the same stuff that was floating around 30 years ago. All too often it''s laced with far more powerful psychotropic substances which are much more harmful to the brain than THC on it''s own. I don''t think it''s realistic to think that just because you legalize pot everything will be just fine and dandy. There will still be unauthorized private growers who will try to "enhance" their product to give a more powerful "high" and the black market would continue to flourish.

[swiftcreek1]

Jsilver.....

The endless stream of low-end operatives you speak of would be stopped if we allowed INS to enforce the immigration laws on the on the books. Deportation is only a part of that. I think you would agree that we would also need to lock down the border with Mexico, (a "real" lockdown, not a bunch of video cameras and wishful thinking) This is something we should be doing anyhow, as a simple national security issue.

[jankebenz]

The damage to the forests and ecosystem is very tragic, so are the millions of drug users who create the demand for marijuana in the first place.

[legacyabq]

"What you sow is what you reap, Liberals"
Actually, what we are reaping here is a result of
BAD DRUG POLICIES,
which you no doubt support One American.
Legalize now, and end the drug war
BY DEFAULT, by killing the profit motivation.
Simple. Even you can understand.

[legacyabq]

"Meta-studies" simply compile a bunch of other studies'' results without interpretation, thusly freshening ''em up with shiny new authority through the act of republishing them.
Its like a credit bureau illegally re-aging your debts to keep them active after the statute of limitations..
Simply put, it''s bullshiite.
When is this country going to learn that marijuana is not some demonic substance??
When are we going to LIVE IN REALITY about freaking A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G ???

[rsoxfan1123]

Cannabis was used as truth serum by the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), a US government intelligence agency formed during World War II. In the early 1940s, it was the most effective truth drug developed at the OSS labs at St. Elizabeths Hospital; it caused a subject "to be loquacious and free in his impartation of information."[86]

[legacyabq]

That is absolutley correct jsilver.
OneAmerican, I dont like this pollution one bit, and im not really a fan of drug dealers, duh,
that is exactly why the ONLY solution, because of the UNSTOPPABLE PROFIT of illegal drugs, is to DESTROY the profit by decriminalizing it.
Its quite simple. Let freedom loving people have the HUMAN RIGHT to grow their own herb in their house, JUST LIKE you can BREW your own beer, for personal consumption..
And, obviously, just like alcohol, you cant drive and smoke, though alcohol is far worse for coordination, which is widely known and understood by anyone who has ever been drunk.

[rsoxfan1123]

Cannabis use has been assessed by several studies to be correlated with the development of anxiety, psychosis and depression,[64][65] however, the causality of the correlation and its direction is a subject of debate that has not been resolved in the scientific community. Some studies assess that the causality is more likely to involve a path from cannabis use to psychotic symptoms rather than a path from psychotic symptoms to cannabis use,[66] while others assess the opposite direction of the causality, or hold cannabis to only form parts of "causal constellation", while not inflicting mental health problems that would not have occurred in the absence of the cannabis use.[67][68]


wikipedia.org

[jsilver2th]

SWIFTCREEK1:

"All we need to do to put these criminals out of business is legalize marijuana- it should have been done years ago so our police can concentrate on Serious crime and fighting meth."

.....quoted from an earlier comment.....

"Actually, the only thing we need to do to put "these criminals" out of business is to allow the INS to enforce immigration laws..."

Not really: Here''s why- the cartel has an endless supply of low-end operatives that will risk it all- you can deport them and imprision them (which is just fine with me)and it will not matter because there is an endless stream- you have to take the money out of it. This isn''t my idea- George Schultz Reagan''s Secretary of State said that- there will no progress on drugs as long it is illegal- you must take the profit out of it.

[jsilver2th]

SWIFTCREEK1:

"All we need to do to put these criminals out of business is legalize marijuana- it should have been done years ago so our police can concentrate on Serious crime and fighting meth."

.....quoted from an earlier comment.....

"Actually, the only thing we need to do to put "these criminals" out of business is to allow the INS to enforce immigration laws..."

Not really: Here''s why- the cartel has an endless supply of low-end operatives that will risk it all- you can deport them and imprision them (which is just fine with me)and it will not matter because there is an endless stream- you have to take the money out of it. This isn''t my idea- George Schultz Reagan''s Secretary of State said that- there will no progress on drugs as long it is illegal- you must take the profit out of it.

[rsoxfan1123]

oneamerican- you changed your name a bit. are you the same oneamerican that has been on here for years? If so, you haven''t changed a bit.

[rsoxfan1123]

I admit the part abut self-reinforcement problems is intersting though. I have never read that before.

[rsoxfan1123]

cbsfan731-that is information engineering. 100% of all people that breathe oxygen die. The question with those people in the study is how many of them were using marijuana to escape from their social problems or other maladjustments and how much are actually CAUSED by THC? Bioneuorological data is what you need to be conclusive. That study just shows that there are a higher percentage of people with problems that choose to smoke pot.

[legacyabq]

and, by the way,
CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION
Any freshman college student in any social SCIENCE class knows this.
You can point to ANY two statistics that rise and fall and fallaciously assert a connection, but that JUST DOESNT make it so..
The fact that you dont know this simple and widely-known rule of logic concerning statistics and the social sciences shows that your reasoning is suspect due to an evident lack of critical thinking skill.
In other words, who cares what allen says, or you.

[legacyabq]

Put that in your pipe and smoke it...
?????
What is that supposed to prove? That chronic drug abuse is bad for your motivation?
So what?
What about the billions of dollars of lost productivity from cigarette smoking and the related destruction of health?
Cigarettes, a KNOWN CARCINOGEN, which are perfectly legal.
Alcohol?
1000''s of babies with FAS, permanantly disfigured and deformed. 10''s of thousands of deaths and disabilities related to DWI, domestic violence, and the direct and deleterious effects of alcohol on the human body in the form of cirrohosis of the liver, brain damage, etc. etc.
But, hey, that''s OK, because pot lowers some people''s satisfaction with life?
Who, the people who were checking into drug rehab.
These studies dont differentiate between an "average" user and these addicts, who likely have all sorts of unrelated problems concerning social adjustment. Most of the citations are of SURVEYS, interviews of people who ALREADY HAVE PROBLEMS, by definition, since they were interviewed in drug treatment programs. Most addicts use several kinds of drugs, and as a group are likely to have social dissatisfaction. GEE I WONDER WHY THEY INTERVIEWED THEM. This is not science, it''s information engineering.
And besides, this still doesnt address the MASSIVE PROBLEMS people have from the effects of LEGAL DRUGS, and other types of addiction.
Trying to blame it on pot is simply intellectually dishonest, and so are you cbsfan.

[babooph]

We need to legalise these Mexicans fast -then no foreigners will be damaging the forest.

[swiftcreek1]

"All we need to do to put these criminals out of business is legalize marijuana- it should have been done years ago so our police can concentrate on Serious crime and fighting meth."

.....quoted from an earlier comment.....

Actually, the only thing we need to do to put "these criminals" out of business is to allow the INS to enforce immigration laws that are already on the books. No more sanctuary cities or any of that rubbish. Deport all of the illegals that we can find. Expand the INS so they can process legal VISA applications more quickly, to allow those people who would like to live and work and PAY TAXES in the United States be able to do so without constantly looking over their shoulders.....