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Bullied, Troubled Pa. Teen Was Building Grenades With Gunpowder Mom Bought, Planning School Attack, Prosecutors Say
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- THIS BULLING IN SCHOOL HAS BEEN AROUND FOREVER. MANY YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL WE HAD A BIG BOY THAT WOULD BULLY ANYONE. HE WENT TO BULLING A TALL SKINNY BOY AND ONE DAY THE BOY TURNED AROUND AND HIT THE BULLY ON THE SIDE OF HIS HEAD. HE HIT THE GROUND OUT COLD. AFTER THAT THE BULLY NEVER BOTHERED ANYONE AGAIN..
WE DIDN''T NEED KNIVES AND GUNS BACK THEM. THE PROBLEMS KIND OF TOOK CARE OF THEMSELVES...(lol) - Reply to this comment
- "And to my best of friends out there...no, I do not have a pyshcologist." Posted by mjm117 at 09:31 PM : Sep 23, 2008
Well, if you don''t, you need to get one. Anyone that has a phobia about cats like you do, has a problem.:)
You know what I think? I think that the reason you hate cats is because they don''t like YOU. Cats have kind of an ESP thing goin'' on, and they can probably read you like a book. They know that you are baaaad. - Reply to this comment
- My last comment on this topic. It takes a sick individual to carry out murder. Whether or not they have been picked on their entire life or not. They are sick. And so are bullies.
I hope you life a peaceful life, void of confrontation. I for the most part have and expect to from here on out. But you *** straight I will always stick up for my family and for myself.
Goodnight. - Reply to this comment
- Incidentally, the part about being chased in your car is about the point wherein I would have sought outside help; like going to the police about it. Where that not an option (for whatever reason), then yes, that is also the point wherein *I* would have started shooting.
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Posted by VoidMaster at 09:23 PM : Sep 23, 2008
There''s the difference between you and I. Maybe there is a part of you that is willing to shoot another individual. There is only one time where I would do that and it would be if they were hurting my family. I avoided violence from that fight on and it went away after 3 weeks. I wasn''t going to stand for it. I wasn''t necessarily afraid of anything, I was the new kid in town. Please don''t pretend to know who I am inside. I''m also not paying you $200 an hour...so please don''t pretned to be my pyschologist. And to my best of friends out there...no, I do not have a pyshcologist. - Reply to this comment
- Geez, I would have liked to have seen that.:)
Just kidding. Although the kick in the head may explain your attitude towards a defenceless cat.
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Posted by erasmus81 at 09:19 PM : Sep 23, 2008
Oh erasmus81...my friend the cat lover - Reply to this comment
- Hit him square in the jaw and dropped him. Then proceeded to be punched by two others and kicked in the head. Then followed by 2 weeks of being chases in my car by 5 other kids.
Posted by mjm117
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Incidentally, the part about being chased in your car is about the point wherein I would have sought outside help; like going to the police about it. Where that not an option (for whatever reason), then yes, that is also the point wherein *I* would have started shooting. - Reply to this comment
- "Hit him square in the jaw and dropped him. Then proceeded to be punched by two others and kicked in the head. Then followed by 2 weeks of being chases in my car by 5 other kids." Posted by mjm117 at 09:03 PM : Sep 23, 2008
Geez, I would have liked to have seen that.:)
Just kidding. Although the kick in the head may explain your attitude towards a defenceless cat. - Reply to this comment
- How do you know this kid didn''''t have that chance? I was outnumbered 5 to 1 when I punched the kid, d*mn well knowing I was going to get pounded...
Posted by mjm117
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So you made that choice because you feared being "pounded" less than you feared what? You obviously feared something else more than you feared the violence. Perhaps you more feared that the bullying would continue.
I agree with what you did. But what about someone who will not turn to violence until he is pushed to an irrational extreme -- as with this kid. More than likely he would never have sought to resort to violence had he not been pushed... and pushed... and pushed.... - Reply to this comment
- Shove your gun touting nonsense up your arse.
Posted by mjm117
COOL! Straight into the nonsense of the gun banners! I expected no less. Thanks for not disappointing me. It means so much! - Reply to this comment
- I suspect that this happened a good many years ago. Were you to do that today, in most school systems you would have been disciplined right along side the bully. That is not right. I agree with your choice to retaliate. But you had that option. The kid in this story did not.
Also -- and again -- no child should have to learn violence as a life skill.
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Posted by VoidMaster at 09:11 PM : Sep 23, 2008
It was 13 years ago, not that long ago. I was in high school.
No, violence is not a life skill worth teaching, but standing up for yourself is.
How do you know this kid didn''t have that chance? I was outnumbered 5 to 1 when I punched the kid, d*mn well knowing I was going to get pounded... - Reply to this comment
- Good for her, yes. But how is that different then choosing to be obese/fat? Yes, the are allowed to be fat if they chose and really have no obligation to be Hollywood skinny. But the choice is the same.
Posted by mjm117
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In the case of the girl, she invites the ridicule, I suspect because it reinforces her own sense of self worth. She does not wish to be merely a part of the group so winning the acceptance of the group is simply not important to her.
On the other hand, the boy with the guns did NOT invite the ridicule. He clearly did not want it and it clearly did not reinforce his sense of self worth.
That is the difference. The girl in this example is emotionally stronger than the boy. - Reply to this comment
- I punched him. The leader of the "bully gang". Hit him square in the jaw and dropped him. Then proceeded to be punched by two others and kicked in the head. Then followed by 2 weeks of being chases in my car by 5 other kids. High speed chases at that, over 100mph.
That''''s how I dealth with it. I stood up for myself in a physical manner and never ONCE thought about killing the kid.
That''''s how I dealt with it and how I would teach my son to deal with it.
Posted by mjm117
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I suspect that this happened a good many years ago. Were you to do that today, in most school systems you would have been disciplined right along side the bully. That is not right. I agree with your choice to retaliate. But you had that option. The kid in this story did not.
Also -- and again -- no child should have to learn violence as a life skill. - Reply to this comment
- A teen daughter of 15 who choses to be different knowing that it might invite ridicule is quite voluntarily expressing her rebellion against the group in a manner that gives her what she needs emotionally. It is not the same thing. She is inviting the bullying; I suspect, specifically BECAUSE she is not intimidated by it.
Good for her!
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Posted by VoidMaster at 08:55 PM : Sep 23, 2008
Good for her, yes. But how is that different then choosing to be obese/fat? Yes, the are allowed to be fat if they chose and really have no obligation to be Hollywood skinny. But the choice is the same. - Reply to this comment
- If your dog jumped the fence and attacked your neighbor without provocation, the neighbor could rightfully expect the dog to be put down. Yet if the neighbor constantly teased the dog through the fence and one day stupidly left his hand on the fence too long; the dog jumps up and bites the neighbor''s hand... does the dog still deserve to be put down?
The boy is not a dog. But he is not an adult, either. - Reply to this comment
- Again... he is not obliged to make himself more acceptable to others.
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Posted by VoidMaster at 08:44 PM : Sep 23, 2008
No, he can be fat if he wants. But I can also put on a KKK t-shirt if I want (not that I ever would). Guess what? I''m going to hear about it, feel the wrath brought on by it. We all have choices. Maybe we should consider the ones that bring us an easier lifestyle. - Reply to this comment
- and guess what happened? The rest of the school saw what happened and respected me while poking fun at the rest of the bullies. Then, it all STOPPED. 10 years later, that very same leader that I dropped apologized to me. My bet, he is still working security at a bar while I provide for my wife and two children in a nice, middle income neighborhood.
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- A question, mjm117: How do you propose that this boy should have dealt with the bullying? What is your suggestion?
I must qualify the question with one fiat. Losing weight is not a valid reply. First, there is not evidence that this alone would have stopped the bullying. Second -- and yet again -- healthy or not, being fat is/was his right to choose.
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Posted by VoidMaster at 08:18 PM : Sep 23, 2008
I punched him. The leader of the "bully gang". Hit him square in the jaw and dropped him. Then proceeded to be punched by two others and kicked in the head. Then followed by 2 weeks of being chases in my car by 5 other kids. High speed chases at that, over 100mph.
That''s how I dealth with it. I stood up for myself in a physical manner and never ONCE thought about killing the kid.
That''s how I dealt with it and how I would teach my son to deal with it. - Reply to this comment
- The boy in this story did not invite the bullying and should not have been subjected to intimidation. He just may not be as emotionally strong as your 15-year-old daughter. Nor is he obliged to be.
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- A teen daughter of 15 who choses to be different knowing that it might invite ridicule is quite voluntarily expressing her rebellion against the group in a manner that gives her what she needs emotionally. It is not the same thing. She is inviting the bullying; I suspect, specifically BECAUSE she is not intimidated by it.
Good for her! - Reply to this comment
- Imagine that you show up at the office wearing a really stupid looking tie. The receptionst might snicker at you as you walk by. The guy in the cubicle next to you might make some snide remark about it. The boss might even try to remind you of a company dresscode. But do you really think that any of these people would try to whip up a laughing session at your expense? Do you imagine that someone at the office would get in your face and even threaten to beat you up?
There is a BIG difference in just the environments. And that does not even take into account the fact that you''re dealing with adults versus adolescents. Even if you subjected the adult to the same level of intimidation, he is still more emotionally equipped to deal with it. A child is not. And like it or not, a teenager is still a child. - Reply to this comment
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