Comments on: Feds: Fire Downed WTC Building 7 On 9/11

But Critics Say There Is Evidence Explosives Were Behind Demise Of Skyscraper Next To Twin Towers

[redwhtblue2]

Bill Manning wrote: %u201CThe structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition of jet fuel in themselves were not enough to bring down the towers. Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the %u2018official investigation%u2019 blessed by FEMA . . . is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure. Except for the marginal benefit obtained from a three-day, visual walk-through of evidence sites conducted by ASCE investigation committee members%u2014described by one close source as a %u2018tourist trip%u2019%u2014no one''s checking the evidence for anything%u201D (Manning, 2002).

[redwhtblue2]

New York Times, December 25, 2001. This protest was echoed by Professor Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, Professor of Civil Engineering at the University of California at Berkeley, who said: %u201CWhere there is a car accident and two people are killed, you keep the car until the trial is over. If a plane crashes, not only do you keep the plane, but you assemble all the pieces, take it to a hangar, and put it together. That%u2019s only for 200, 300 people, when they die. In this case, you had 3,000 people dead. You had a major . . . manmade structure. My wish was that we had spent whatever it takes. . . . Get all this steel, carry it to a lot. Instead of recycling it. . . . After all, this is a crime scene and you have to figure out exactly what happened%u201C (CBS News, March 12, 2002).

[redwhtblue2]

In 1988, a fire in the First Interstate Bank Building in Los Angeles raged for 3.5 hours and gutted 5 of this building%u2019s 62 floors, but there was no significant structural damage (FEMA, 1988). In 1991, a huge fire in Philadelphia%u2019s One Meridian Plaza lasted for 18 hours and gutted 8 of the building%u2019s 38 floors, but, said the FEMA report, although %u201C[b]eams and girders sagged and twisted . . . under severe fire exposures. . . , the columns continued to support their loads without obvious damage%u201D (FEMA, 1991). In Caracas in 2004, a fire in a 50-story building raged for 17 hours, completely gutting the building%u2019s top 20 floors, and yet it did not collapse (Nieto, 2004). And yet we are supposed to believe that a 56-minute fire caused the south tower to collapse.

[jerr11]

Did anyone seriously expect the Feds to come out and say, "Yeah, explosives did it!"

LOL

Hey this is the same gang that sold us Niger Yellow cake and outed a CIA agent for contradicting them.

After 935 documented lies who can believe another word they say?

Big bad wolf blew it down?

How about the boy who cried wolf?

[merlgrey]

anyone who knows anything about fairy tale history knows the big bad wolf blew it down.

[downtowner97]

There were multiple bombs in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City, so Bush lovers/Clinton haters can research and talk about conspiracy theories too.

Every war we''ve fought has been started after something mysterious has happened: The sinking of the Maine, thousands killed in Pearl Harbor AFTER we were warned by Japan, The Tonkin crisis, the 4 hour attack of the Liberty by Israel, and on and on.

It''s hard to talk Americans into war, so sometimes we need a little push.

[toldyouso12]

Of all the laws of physics this is the simplest--if things fall on top of each other--what falls first, will be at the bottom and will be the LAST things to be uncovered NOT the first. Somebody appears to not have thought of that and many Americans also, have not thought of that. This is common sense:

1. Plane hits building
2. Plane and Building bursts into flames
3. Plane either bounces off building OR goes through to the other side OR stays in the bldg (does not matter)
4. Huge fire ensues with phenomenal heat (according to you and experts)*
5. Things close to the heat disintegrate or collapse*
6. Debris from plane falls to ground or stays in bldg
7. Building falls to ground in motion remniscent of detonation.
8. plane, and all that was on it should be on the bottom, even if blown out from bldg first
9. From time of plane hit to bldg collapse, where were the passports? IN the bldg? IN the disintegrated plane? in the super fire?

10.Finally the bldg fell on top of whatever hit the ground first

**how did the passports survive the superheat that destroyed the steelbeams? Paper burns up at 451 degree F. Steel requires temps in excess of 2000 degrees? if the paper all fell to the ground, how did it all fall clear of the entire bldgs--all 3 of them?

In the midst of trillions of tons of paper, how were the passports found and matched to any manifesto?

Who was looking for paper instead of live bodies at that point?
THINK ABOUT THIS....ANALYZE THIS....IF YOU DARE.

[tothestars2]

After reading these posts, I''m convinced that some of you should be working in hollyweird as script writers. What a bunch of c--p. The conspiracy geeks are out late tonight. Don''t you guys have school tomorrow? Maybe it had something to do with sarah conner and skynet LOL.

[toldyouso12]

ToolMangler: the fact is, it does not matter if the papers blew clear of the plane''s crash or were trapped in the building. Either way, the amount of floors above where the plane went in, should have been on top of the plane crash if it was still in the building. If the passports all managed to blow clear of the initial crash--they would have hit the ground first and then later, the building would have fallen on top of them.

They were planted. I believe this--because how they were "found" was impossible. For even a week after the incident rescuers were combing the debris for bodies--paper literally covered huge amounts of area--but in 2 days 19 passport/paper were found? Bodies could not be found--live people on cell phones could not be found--but with office paper and documents strewn every where, someone found all 19 passports within 2 days....Does that really make sense to you? It took MONTHS for all the paper and debris to be removed--but those magical passports--not only stayed aloft until the entire building went down...they stayed in a cluster so Bush''s searchers could find them right away--we sure are lucky--and we are lucky that on the day after 911,Bush was already sure, for some reason, that despite all flights being grounded, the Bin Laden family could just take off for Saudi Arabia--and made the FBI let them go. *** but the man is Prescient--isn''t he? No Laughing here.

[toldyouso12]

Of all the laws of physics this is the simplest--if things fall on top of each other--what falls first, will be at the bottom and will be the LAST things to be uncovered NOT the first. Somebody appears to not have thought of that and many Americans also, have not thought of that. This is common sense:

1. Plane hits building
2. Plane and Building bursts into flames
3. Plane either bounces off building OR goes through to the other side OR stays in the bldg (does not matter)
4. Huge fire ensues with phenomenal heat (according to you and experts)*
5. Things close to the heat disintegrate or collapse*
6. Debris from plane falls to ground or stays in bldg
7. Building falls to ground in motion remniscent of detonation.
8. plane, and all that was on it should be on the bottom, even if blown out from bldg first
9. From time of plane hit to bldg collapse, where were the passports? IN the bldg? IN the disintegrated plane? in the super fire?

10.Finally the bldg fell on top of whatever hit the ground first

**how did the passports survive the superheat that destroyed the steelbeams? Paper burns up at 451 degree F. Steel requires temps in excess of 2000 degrees? if the paper all fell to the ground, how did it all fall clear of the entire bldgs--all 3 of them?

In the midst of trillions of tons of paper, how were the passports found and matched to any manifesto?

Who was looking for paper instead of live bodies at that point?
THINK ABOUT THIS....ANALYZE THIS....IF YOU DARE.

[toldyouso12]

The plane went through the South Tower and showered the street with debris, Since the terrorists were in the front of the plane with the pilots, that part of the plane may well have gone completely through the building and showered the street with body parts (and passports).
Posted by ToolMangler at 10:08 PM : Aug 21, 2008

I saw the same crashes you did? Not once did I believe the plane went entirely through the building, but even if it did--the passports would then have been "blown out" BEFORE the building collapsed and should have been at the very bottom. The building did not collapse when the plane hit--what next? Do you believe that the passports had antigravitational devices and stayed suspended in the air until the 8 or 9 minutes later when the building fell, only to float to the very top and present themselves for discovery in the midst of all other dust, debris and paperwork.

Unlike you--my questions are not framed to protect my argument, nor are my answers--what occurred with the passports has never been adequately explained and your "explanation still does not address how they were found ON TOP of the wreckage. If they were a part of the original crash, into or even through the building, they still occurred at a time where they would end up on the ground FIRST with all other documents and debris and wreckage ON TOP of them and they still should not have been found until months later.

[liberalme]

This government thinks the US is occupied by a bunch of Faux news, lintball and hannity idiots!

There is more "information" all over the internet validating an "implosion" and disproving anything else.

[toolmangler-2009]

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Posted by redwhtblue2 at 09:58 PM : Aug 21, 2008


I will not comment on any oral history as I was not in their shoes when the collapse occurred. when the "world appears to be ending" all witnesses see and hear the same event differently. I can only report what I witnessed myself.

[on_alert247]

Imploded? That is a pretty silly statement. I supposed you are an "expert" civil engineer?

[toolmangler-2009]

how were they found even under the tons of debris, equipment and paper in just 2 days? Why weren''''t the bodies of the men who had the passports found? Are the passports more burn proof than the bodies?

Finally, how, with all the debris around, did the government determine the passports were terrorists and not just passengers or even workers at the WTC? Posted by toldyouso12 at 09:38 PM : Aug 21, 2008




The plane went through the South Tower and showered the street with debris, Since the terrorists were in the front of the plane with the pilots, that part of the plane may well have gone completely through the building and showered the street with body parts (and passports). I am a metallurgist and tool and Die maker with over 50 year experience in my craft. Please do not dismiss my statements without more proof than I have seen presented. I respect your thoughts, I merely disagree with your conclusions

[redwhtblue2]

The obvious eludes the delusional.


Posted by on_alert247 at 10:03 PM : Aug 21, 2008

That''s what shocked so many on 9/11 where the towers imploded

GOOD POINT

[on_alert247]

The obvious eludes the delusional.

[redwhtblue2]

We can say, therefore, that the official theory about the towers is disproved about as thoroughly as such a theory possibly could be, whereas all the evidence can be explained by the alternative theory, according to which the towers were brought down by explosives. The official theory is, accordingly, an outrageous theory, whereas the alternative theory is, from a scientific point of view, the only reasonable theory available.[47]

[redwhtblue2]

LOL. The problem is, most Bushites are long on the party line and a few try to use a rationale that dazzles their faithful--but under most challenges, the rationale begins to fall apart. there are just too many unanswered questions, from the behavior of Bush and Cheney to the instruction to the FBI and NORAD to the weird passport situation--they hope to dazzle a few with fancy mouthwork and the word "experts" and hope the only remaining dissenters are just nerds that no one listens to. Their concern are not the naysayers, it is the questions being raised within Republican ranks--the more they see happening with Bush and Cheney, the more they wonder if they ever knew what the hell is going on. Rosie is a con troll freak---and like other control freaks--she gets ugly if she cannot have her way or if you turn her pitiful remarks and ripostes on their ears. LMAO It''''s been fun--but have to go cook something now---wonder if they will let me back on later? LMAO



Posted by toldyouso12 at 09:56 PM : Aug 21, 2008

Good post and so true

See ya

[redwhtblue2]

Shortly after 9/11, the New York Fire Department recorded over 500 oral histories, in which firefighters and emergency medical workers recounted their experiences of that day. [Emergency Medical Services had become a division within the Fire Department(Dwyer, 2005a).] Mayor Bloomberg%u2019s administration, however, refused to release them. But then the New York Times, joined by several families of 9/11 victims, filed suit and, after a long process, the New York Court of Appeals ordered the city to release the bulk of these oral histories, which it did in August 2005[42] (Dwyer, 2005b). The Times then made them publicly available (NYT, 2005).[43]

These oral histories contain many dozens of testimonies that speak of explosions and related phenomena characteristic of controlled demolition.


NOT MENTIONED IN TOOLMANGLERS COMMENTS, HUM.