Comments on: Feds: Ivins Was Lone Anthrax Killer

Documents Allege Scientist Had Anthrax Linked To 2001 Attacks, Planned To Kill Those Who "Wronged Him"

[txgrouch2006]

Clinton may be a criminal but bush sits at the right hand of the devil himself
Posted by notfooled at 11:16 PM : Aug 06, 2008
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You''ve been fooled. It''s an established fact that the 9/11 pilots were here in this country in 2000. The Clinton administration was NECESSARILY involved in ANY 9/11 conspiracy.

Consider that carefully if you pursue 9/11 conspiracy theories.

[andor3]

"The funny thing is that the science in identifying the strain, the technology is so......compelling."

Yes the DNA fingerprinting technique is so high-tech that only the FBI lab could carry it out and no one else could possibly duplicate the result...hmmmm.

[txgrouch2006]

I repeat

ANOTHER PARTY WHO IS VERY INTERESTED IN CLOSING THIS CASE WOULD BE BILL CLINTON and the other insiders who don''''t want the Clinton 9/11 conspiracy to be BLOWN SKY HIGH.

Those who insist on pursuing conspiracy theories that there was forknowlege of 9/11 should form a clear mental image of Bill Clinton swinging from the gallows like Saddam. Because that is the inevitable result of such a pursuit.

[notfooled]

If there was foreknowledge of the 9/11 attack, it came from the Clinton administration.

How silly. Clinton may be a criminal but bush sits at the right hand of the devil himself and this was done on his watch, more than likely under his direction

[txgrouch2006]

Even if Ivins was involved, and even if he had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attack, the physical fact is HE COULDN''T HAVE HIDDEN THE MASSIVE EFFORT OF MAKING SUCH A LARGE QUANTITY OF POWDER FORM ANTHRAX.

Lab management HAD to be involved to keep such a large undertaking secret.

If you''re willing to entertain a Clinton-era conspiracy to plan the 9/11 attack, then I''ll say it''s possile that Ivins and the MANY others who protected themselves had foreknowledge FROM THE CLINTON YEARS.

But that mean MANY INDIVIDUALS ALSO KNOW OF THE CLINTON 9/11 CONSPIRACY, and it''s only a matter of time before Clinton swings from the gallows.

ANOTHER PARTY WHO IS VERY INTERESTED IN CLOSING THIS CASE WOULD BE BILL CLINTON and the other insiders who don''t want the Clinton 9/11 conspiracy to be BLOWN SKY HIGH.

[shaheed92]

The FBI proved (to themselves) beyond a reasonable doubt that Ivins is guilty. It easy to prove he''s guilty after he''s been hounded to death; he no longer can defend himself. I would not even think of believing the FBI about anything. I guess the image of how they harassed Eric Rudolph until they all but ruined his live for the Atlanta Olympics bombing - which he did not commit. They also knew he was guilty.

[txgrouch2006]

You really want the ugly truth about 9-11 to go away don''''t you.
Posted by prometheus41 at 11:00 PM : Aug 06, 2008

If there was a federal government conspiracy to commit the 9/11 attack, that involved the Clinton administration because the 9/11 pilots are known to have been in this country taking flight instruction in the summer of 2000.

If there was foreknowledge of the 9/11 attack, it came from the Clinton administration. I have said myself that Bill Clinton himself was involved in such a conspiracy, and that the attack was originally scheduled for 9/11/2000. But Clinton asked to postpone it until after he left office to spare himself the embarassment.

So, yes, if you really want the UGLY TRUTH, there it is. Someone in the lab may have known in advance, including Ivins, ever since the Clinton years.

But so far I don''t have much support, so I refrain from relying on my conspiracy theory.

Unless we believe that Ivins was tipped off by someone in the Clinton administration, I will have to say COINCIDENCE.

[rudy654-2009]

There is just way too many coincidences here, and any good investigator worth his/her badge would never dismiss so many coincidences. As I have heard some say: "I don''t believe in coincidences."

[txgrouch2006]

The BIGGEST HOLE is - how did ANYONE make such a large quantity of powder form without being detected?

SOMEBODOY DID IT - but WHO? and HOW was it kept secret?

LAB MANAGEMENT HAD TO BE INVOLVED to hide such a significant effort. Ivins could not have acted alone.

[txgrouch2006]

He apparently would be the first person in the U.S. government publically identified to have foreknowledge of when the 9-11 attacks would take place, based on his timetable for the Anthrax mailings.
Posted by prometheus41 at 10:53 PM : Aug 06, 2008
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The timing relative to the 9/11 attack was pure coincidence. It disrupted the plans for the expected Iraq war. And the FBI is conveniently omitting OTHER extraordinary activities that were taking place in the summer of 2001.

[txgrouch2006]

This along with the immunizations against Anthrax and yellow fever he received in early September.
Posted by prometheus41 at 10:20 PM : Aug 06, 2008
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MANY individuals were getting immunized in anticipation of the Iraq War that Bush was planning. There were fears that Saddam would retaliate with biological weapons.

Once again, the FBI conveniently omits the context of these events.

[txgrouch2006]

But the "noticeable spike" in mid-August 2001 was for DR. IVINS EVENING access to the B3 hot suite. This is the suspicious activity that the FBI is claiming they used to isolate Ivins as a suspect at the lab.
Posted by prometheus41 at 10:20 PM : Aug 06, 2008
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That''s one indication of what a weak case they have.

I was keyed up in August 2001, too. If I worked late that month because home was too stressful, would I be a suspect??? If his activity was so suspicious, and with all the security cameras, why can''t they identify WHAT he was doing there late at night???

The entire lab was under pressure due to the build-up to the expected war in Iraq. Management wanted to cash in on some early war hysteria by causing the anthrax scare.

They don''t say Ivins was the ONLY one working late, do they? Once again, too many holes for this theory to hold water.

[gmond]

Did they get video of him on the grassy knoll?

[nearl4511]

The funny thing is that the science in identifying the strain, the technology is so......compelling.

Yet, so many questions remain. So many strange statements. So many entities begging the outcome. NPR claiming yesterday that he once played a murderer in a play in High school?

In the end this is a botched investigation. The public will never accept this as is. THis is worse thatn JFK.

[txgrouch2006]

I was wondering what other explanations people may have for why he was planning for these attacks mid-August to early September 2001.
Posted by prometheus41 at 10:02 PM : Aug 06, 2008
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The same reason Reagan was planning the Grenada attack BEFORE the Beruit barracks bombing. COINCIDENCE, they were operating for a completely different reason.

After 9/11, you can bet the bio weapons lab would have received more funding WITHOUT the anthrax attack. But after 9/11, the lab manager decided to pull the trigger anyway, after all that had been invested.

Bush was already gearing up for war against Iraq. In the 1991 Gulf War, there were fears that Saddam would use biological weapons. The anthrax attacks were planned to be part of the build-up to the Iraq war.

After 9/11, the Iraq war had to wait. But the anthrax attack went ahead anyway.

[downtowner97]

Dark, evil things like this will continue to happen to Americans if Obama is elected. It will be nice to have the 27% of Americans who now feel our government can do no wrong thinking and questioning the government again.

[txgrouch2006]

Well, at least they''''re willing to say he''''s the lone killer (whether he''''s involved or not), sparing other families these wrenching and unethical tactics.
Posted by smurfcrusher at 09:31 PM : Aug 06, 2008

Yah, like the family of the RICH LAB MANAGER WHO WAS REALLY BEHIND THE WHOLE THING.

Don''t be so quick to be happy about that.

[smurfcrusher]

This is all so much better for the FBI than say, identifying a "person of interest", harassing those around him, putting all off them through hell, and then paying $5.8 Million once the case falls apart.

[smurfcrusher]

"Feds: Ivins Was The Lone Anthrax Killer"

If they knew that, why would they try to bribe his kids and try to get them to turn in their "murderer" father?

Entertainment reasons?

More likely it''s because they did NOT know he was the killer.

Well, at least they''re willing to say he''s the lone killer (whether he''s involved or not), sparing other families these wrenching and unethical tactics.

[summarex]

Hmmmmm.......
The government goons threatened his family. They told the man''s son that his dad was a murderer and offered him a multimillion dollar reward to turn on him. They subjected him to psychological torture until he took his life. They accused him of making anthrax using equipment that all of his colleagues have said could not be used to make that type of anthrax. And none of those colleagues believe the government goons'' accusations. My question is why do we support, fund and even allow ourselves to revere these parasites, these government empowered thugs. Why don''t we send them the way of French nobility instead. What''s it going to take for Americans to realize that this nation has descended into criminal governance!
That is the essential question.