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Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
Posted by Xyno at 05:32 PM : Jul 29, 2008
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Yet, as I said, th impetus of this from the Dandury Baptists made it clear, Government''s duty was only Civil. Putting religion into Government, by Default, makes it a religious institution.- Reply to this comment
- Pingon: Unless you are in a gay relationship or are a woman, then I do not see how that type of ''''hideous'''' behavior affects you personally. I understand your feelings and schools teaching alternative lifestyles is something I am not aware of. Onn the ohter hand, many so-called upstanding young women were getting abortion in alleys, some were raped and some were too ill to deliver a child. Some real tough calls, wouldn''''t you say.
Posted by BajaJohn1 at 05:33 PM : Jul 29, 2008
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It doesn''t affect him.
The Evangelical Screech is: We don''t like something so nobody should be able to do it! We want to control YOUR lives because we can''t control Ours!
wah, wah, wah! - Reply to this comment
- Nextgenman:
My Chatt is with Bajajohn1 not with you so get lost. - Reply to this comment
- Posted by BajaJohn1 at 05:26 PM : Jul 29, 2008
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Going home to play with the kids -- talk to you later. Peace. - Reply to this comment
- Sticking scissors in a baby''''s skull and sucking his brains out before he exits the birth canal is a barbaric procedure.
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Then don''t get one. Remember barbaric next time you eat a steak and a cow''s had his sides pierced by a forklify on the way to the .22 to the forehead. - Reply to this comment
- religion, mother nature, divine intervention, who cares? is there any way to direct these earthquakes to washington d.c.? as much as i think LA is a den of depravity - d.c. is worse.
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- It is the dems who are meddling in my life by redefining marriage and eventually wanting to force schools to teach alternative life styles.
Posted by pingon33 at 05:29 PM : Jul 29, 2008
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What a crock of craaap.
Translation: I don''t like it so nobody else should be able to do it!
Explain exactly how the lives of two gay people will affect your marriage or life.
Again, crock of self-righteous craaap. - Reply to this comment
- AND religion should not interefere with Government. He was, in effect, supporting religios rights by isolating Government FROM THEM.
Posted by nextGenMan at 05:22 PM : Jul 29, 2008
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It appears to me that he''s only keeping the state out of religion -- I don''t see any mention of keeping religion out of gov''t:
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
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- HA! Hysterical, I jumped in here just to see if people would be slamming Bush on THIS too... and THEY ARE!!!!
Amazing... simply amazing...
D@mn you George Bush! Causing hurricanes & now EARTHQUAKES! - Reply to this comment
- Bajajohn1:
Funny. I see. Polls are unreliable. So how do you know dems are going to win in a landslide? You must be a prophet. I do not like to meddle in anyones life. It is the dems who are meddling in my life by redefining marriage and eventually wanting to force schools to teach alternative life styles. I do not think abortion is an issue of privacy but of murder. Sticking scissors in a baby''s skull and sucking his brains out before he exits the birth canal is a barbaric procedure. If you think this is fine what can I tell you. One day you will stand before God to give an account. One votes for the lesser of two evils. You apparently have fallen for the Democrats messiah. What does he bring to the table? Change!! This so called chaged is just old recycled 70s elitist garbage coupled with socialist style distribution of wealth. I can''t wait for Obama to be president. - Reply to this comment
- Some Interesting excerpts from the Danbury Baptist Letter to Jefferson:
Our sentiments are uniformly on the side of religious liberty--that religion is at all times and places a matter between God and individuals--that no man ought to suffer in name, person, or effects on account of his religious opinions--that the legitimate power of civil government extends no further than to punish the man who works ill to his neighbors; But, sir, our constitution of government is not specific.
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In other word, they believed Government should ONLY deal with civil matters and the religion was between God and an individual.
A Wall of Separation between Church Matters and Satte Matters. - Reply to this comment
- Scientists are on the brink of being able to predict earthquakes by measuring seismic velocities in fault rock. I wonder how that plays into Gods apparent (according to the fundies) plan of punishing perfectly innocent people (including children) for the "sins" of gay people?
Maybe God has no such plan, but instead helps those who help themselves.
I say ''maybe'' cuz I still got some uncertainty left (unlike the fundies). I''ve heard uncertainty is the mother of humility, something Christians used to approve of. - Reply to this comment
- How the hell did a story about an earthquake, which are common in, and indeed FORMED California, turn into a theological discussion? Fires and earthquakes have been crucial elements in this part of the world since long before man arrived here.
Following the sick and twisted "logic" in this discussion, you could just as well say god caused the earthquake in anger about yet another Republican being indicted.
People, if your god is that vengeful and angry (i.e. the one in the Old Testament), maybe you should seek a new deity. - Reply to this comment
- Religion and Politics do not mix.
Posted by BajaJohn1 at 05:19 PM : Jul 29, 2008
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John, I don''t disagree with you. My only intent was to clarify the Separation of Church and state issue as it was proposed by Jefferson. Even though I am a Christian, I don''t always agree with the ''Christian Right''. - Reply to this comment
- Xyno, the whole impetus for the "wall of Separation" came from a letter from the Danbury Baptists who were complianing that the Connecticut State Legislature considered religious not an "immutable right" but rather a privilege granted by the State. Jefferson never adddressed the issue at the State level - which is proper for a Fredeal level person - but rather clarified that the State should not interefer with religion AND religion should not interefere with Government. He was, in effect, supporting religios rights by isolating Government FROM THEM.
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- Posted by Xyno at 05:21 PM
I usually do by putting in in quotations, but I got lazy this time. - Reply to this comment
- Why do you Christians feel you can mock everyone else and that somehow you remain exempt?
Posted by rudy654 at 04:56 PM : Jul 29, 2008
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That''s like saying all Muslim''s are radicals. You need to paint with a smaller brush. - Reply to this comment
- libsluv2spit the BS that you spew sound a lot like a man called ANN COULTER
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- libsluv2spit- tell me how does it feel to live in total fear? did you do something wrong to pi$$ off your god?
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- Jeff
erson''s ''Separation of Church and State'' came from a speech and was never part of the Constitution.
We were discussing the original intent, not the recent distortions of it.
Posted by Xyno at 05:15 PM : Jul 29, 2008
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You''re calling Jefferson Recent? - Reply to this comment
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