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Protesters Rally Against Immigration Policies; One Out Of Three Residents Swept Up In Raid

[durendal55]

Can we stop tearing into each other when we mainly AGREE???

txgrouch2006

Words of Wisdom! I just hate to see the good thrown in with the bad and all put down. There is good Globalism and there is Bad Globalism. There are good Native American analogies and there are bad Native American analogies. Sometimes my passion for the truth gets in the way.

[durendal55]

It is far better for us to do neither and if we have to, create a mandatory work law. If you don''''t work in this country and you are physically capable--you don''''t eat. My brother worked in an auto mfg town that relocated to Mexico. Now, you can think those jobs are better off in Mexico. But many in that town went from 17 to 26.00/hr jobs down to taking 2 6.00/hr jobs and Bush got to say there was growth because they now hold 2 service jobs instead of one mfg job. Course the down side is--with the 26.00/hr jobs gone--a lot of the service jobs left too. Now--that may be good for your globalization and according to you, we should think about how many more people can buy American products--but unless someone works for an exporting company--sorry--they can''''t see your side--and I can guarantee you, that folks in Detroit, Ohio and Evansville that lost their home and can''''t even see their own kids cause they have to now work so many hours and still make so little--are not going to see or applaud your point either. Save your breath--you CANNOT win me over to outsourcing--no way.

Toldyouso12 at 12:30 PM

I see why you are so angry. But you and I are talking about two different things. I am talking about creating jobs, not moving jobs. So please do not put words in my mouth that are not there. If an American creates a NEW job and there is no one to fill it, it is better to place that job in another country than it is to bring in an Illegal Immigrant. That is ALL I have said.

[toldyouso12]

Bottom line, between war and disease, the white tribe won. It''''s history, get over it. Yah, we give them a raw deal when we won. But what do you think they did to THEIR defeated rivals???


Posted by txgrouch2006 at 12:26 PM : Jul 29, 2008


What we did to the Native Americans is not the point--in examining the "how" (no pun intended) the point is--many people fail to see that what we did to them can also be done to us by the influx of illegals if we can''t learn from history.

[toldyouso12]

CORRECTION:
''..Nothing is more important to me than the viability and economic security of my country--this is different than the numbers quoted in news papers or on Wall Street because most of us are NOT on Wall Street. This means, I want to see Americans working and buying homes and being prosperous and despite what you say--we could actually be successful and never export a single product. What exports DO mostly is grow the wealth for a select group of Americans, granted, this is great for them and for the few who work for them but for ECONOMIC security AND NATIONAL VIABILITY--it is a benefit but not a necessity.

I am not saying we should not trade--but without protection that protect domestic markets and consider our own worker base first--everything else is exploitation and anyway your numbers slice that--you can''''t change that fact. And FYI, I am not interested in making Mexico, China or India rich so I can sell them stuff--that is for investors--I am interested in every single American having great healthcare, building our country and securing food and jobs for us--after that, we can look to sell the surplus--but US first.


SAYING AMERICA NEEDS TO BE GLOBAL IN TODAY''S WORLD IS LIKE SAYING EVERYONE IN AMERICA MUST HAVE AN IPOD --IT HAS ITS PERKS--BUT IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR SUCCESS. THOUGH THE MANUFACTURERS OF IPODS WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO THINK THAT THEY ARE. lol

[toldyouso12]

WHEW! SOMEONE OPEN A WINDOW!!! Somebody GLOBALIZED in here.


Posted by txgrouch2006 at 12:19 PM : Jul 29, 2008


LMAO

[durendal55]

Toldyouso12 - Your response regarding Small Pox demonstrates that you have been reading re-written history. In fact, the Small Pox infected blankes tactic was a later tactic and not part of what Pizzaro or Cortez did. Re-written history has these as one in the same but actually they were seperated by hundreds of years. I do not dispute that Native Americans have been royally shafted but in fact you overstate the case. Remember that in both Europe and Asia at the time it was a universally accepted tactic to catapault plague victims bodies into your enemy''s stronghold. You cannot judge historical actions by current morality. Nor can you judge people of European descent without also considering the acts of Native Americans as well. During the early colonization of American whole towns simply dissappeared because the native Americans tempted Europeans into buying land and building things, only to then whipe them out and take their stuff they build after the ships they came in left. For example Wolstenhome. So I think it best to lay off the Native American/European references as they do not appropriately reflect the devistating effect Illegal Immigrants have on our poor.

[toldyouso12]

"Now we have pimped out our tech industries, coal and steel mills, and agriculture. Presently over 95% of all fruits and veggies are imported. Over 80% of computers and tech support is overseas, cars-overseas, textile industry--overseas--this is especially disasterous when the dollar is weak."

Posted by durendal55 at 12:15 PM : Jul 29, 2008

They came from the internet--from former articles right here on the CBS site from early 2006 on. Google and you are sure to find them.

[toldyouso12]

Toldyouso12 - It is far better for both the U.S. Economy and the World Economy to export jobs we cannot fill than it is to import Illegal Immigrants.
Posted by durendal55 at 12:09 PM : Jul 29, 2008


It is far better for us to do neither and if we have to, create a mandatory work law. If you don''t work in this country and you are physically capable--you don''t eat. My brother worked in an auto mfg town that relocated to Mexico. Now, you can think those jobs are better off in Mexico. But many in that town went from 17 to 26.00/hr jobs down to taking 2 6.00/hr jobs and Bush got to say there was growth because they now hold 2 service jobs instead of one mfg job. Course the down side is--with the 26.00/hr jobs gone--a lot of the service jobs left too. Now--that may be good for your globalization and according to you, we should think about how many more people can buy American products--but unless someone works for an exporting company--sorry--they can''t see your side--and I can guarantee you, that folks in Detroit, Ohio and Evansville that lost their home and can''t even see their own kids cause they have to now work so many hours and still make so little--are not going to see or applaud your point either. Save your breath--you CANNOT win me over to outsourcing--no way.

[txgrouch2006]

oldyouso12 - Your Native American analogy is deeply flawed...
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Can we stop tearing into each other when we mainly AGREE???

My view on the Native American (a.k.a. "Indian") issue is - when the white people arrived, it touched off a territorial conflict. The white people won. That''s it.

It''s not like the Indians never had territorial conflicts with each other. Why do you think they had "warriors?" Why do you think so many tribes were fierce and hostile? Because they BEAT THE OTHER TRIBES FOR THAT TERRIRTORY.

As far as the Indians were concerned, white people were just another tribe. Some native tribes tried to be friendly, some made war. Some did both.

Bottom line, between war and disease, the white tribe won. It''s history, get over it. Yah, we give them a raw deal when we won. But what do you think they did to THEIR defeated rivals???

[toldyouso12]

Duendal--Its obvious you are a globalist and therefore you will tout that as you believe in it--those numbers you cite and regurgitate mean a lot --TO YOU and other economists.

I''m a real person, I never listen to what the "experts write" or put in reports or at least I take it with a grain of salt realizing they have something to sell and protect (the ideas of globalization) I am a Nationalist. Nothing is more important to me than the viability and economic security of my country--this is different than the numbers quoted in news papers or on Wall Street because most of us are on Wall Street. This means, I want to see Americans working and buying homes and being prosperous and despite what you say--we could actually be successful and never export a single product. What exports so mostly is grow the wealth for a select group of Americans, granted, this is great for them and for the few who work for them but for security--it is a benefit but not a necessity.

I am not saying we should not trade--but without protection that protect domestic markets and consider our own worker base first--everything else is exploitation and anyway your numbers slice that--you can''t change that fact. And FYI, I am not interested in making Mexico, China or India rich so I can sell them stuff--that is for investors--I am interested in every single American having great healthcare, building our country and securing food and jobs for us--after that, we can look to sell the surplus--but US first.