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- THE POINT: we need to be very careful about being idealistic about our country and what changes come from disregarding or rearranging our laws esp when it comes to immigration--what happened to the indians--could well happen to us--as many repeat the naive acceptance that they also practiced.
Posted by toldyouso12
Words of wisdom. - Reply to this comment
- I overstate nothing--go back and read the posts--who brought up small pox? YOU. I spoke of how we bilked Indians out of their land and capitalized on their trusting and embracing us--like Andor3 wants to do---you turned it into a small pox debate? Go back and read. LOL
Posted by toldyouso12
Again with the apples and oranges.
"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."
- Thomas Paine - Reply to this comment
- Toldyouso12 - I guess I just cannot get away. You miss my point again. In New England so many Native Americans died of verious Illnesses imported from Europe that much of the land was OPEN and not owned by anyone. That is in multiple history books. That FACT is suppressed today by those who want to use "while guilt" as a weapon for their own personal gain. And there are other similar accounts from other parts of the U.S. And there were no blankets involved or anything else. Just plagues. You are so caught up in blankets that you are not seeing the big picture.
Posted by durendal55 at 12:56 PM : Jul 29, 2008
I think you also missed my point.Which is to warn people who are all embracive of globalization and insourcing and welcoming people with open arms--that we already have a history that shows doing so , does not always bode well for the people who are already ensconced here. The dialog devolved into diseases or how we got the land as people wanted to deflect or mitigate the how and missed the point
THE POINT: we need to be very careful about being idealistic about our country and what changes come from disregarding or rearranging our laws esp when it comes to immigration--what happened to the indians--could well happen to us--as many repeat the naive acceptance that they also practiced. - Reply to this comment
- If we "export jobs" that is not job creation that is taking jobs from America and sending them overseas, otherwise there is no export.
Posted by toldyouso12 at 12:55 PM : Jul 29, 2008
What part of "exporting jobs we cannot fill" are you not understanding? You are talking about exporting jobs we CAN fill. I am not. - Reply to this comment
- oldyouso12 - Your response regarding Small Pox demonstrates that you have been reading re-written history. In fact, the Small Pox infected blankes tactic was a later tactic and not part of what Pizzaro or Cortez did. Re-written history has these as one in the same but actually they were seperated by hundreds of years. I do not dispute that Native Americans have been royally shafted but in fact you overstate the case. Remember that in both Europe and Asia at the time it was a universally accepted tactic to catapault plague victims bodies into your enemy''''s stronghold. You cannot judge historical actions by current morality. Nor can you judge people of European descent without also considering the acts of Native Americans as well. During the early colonization of American whole towns simply dissappeared because the native Americans tempted Europeans into buying land and building things, only to then whipe them out and take their stuff they build after the ships they came in left. For example Wolstenhome. So I think it best to lay off the Native American/European references as they do not appropriately reflect the devistating effect Illegal Immigrants have on our poor.
Posted by durendal55 at 12:32 PM : Jul 29, 2008
I overstate nothing--go back and read the posts--who brought up small pox? YOU. I spoke of how we bilked Indians out of their land and capitalized on their trusting and embracing us--like Andor3 wants to do---you turned it into a small pox debate? Go back and read. LOL - Reply to this comment
- Toldyouso12 - I guess I just cannot get away. You miss my point again. In New England so many Native Americans died of verious Illnesses imported from Europe that much of the land was OPEN and not owned by anyone. That is in multiple history books. That FACT is suppressed today by those who want to use "while guilt" as a weapon for their own personal gain. And there are other similar accounts from other parts of the U.S. And there were no blankets involved or anything else. Just plagues. You are so caught up in blankets that you are not seeing the big picture.
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- I see why you are so angry. But you and I are talking about two different things. I am talking about creating jobs, not moving jobs. So please do not put words in my mouth that are not there. If an American creates a NEW job and there is no one to fill it, it is better to place that job in another country than it is to bring in an Illegal Immigrant. That is ALL I have said.
Posted by durendal55 at 12:39 PM : Jul 29, 2008
I''m not angry--just passionate and here is your own post--I did not put words in your mouth:
Toldyouso12 - It is far better for both the U.S. Economy and the World Economy to export jobs we cannot fill than it is to import Illegal Immigrants.
Posted by durendal55 at 12:09 PM : Jul 29, 2008
If we "export jobs" that is not job creation that is taking jobs from America and sending them overseas, otherwise there is no export - Reply to this comment
- Words of Wisdom! I just hate to see the good thrown in with the bad and all put down. There is good Globalism and there is Bad Globalism. There are good Native American analogies and there are bad Native American analogies. Sometimes my passion for the truth gets in the way.
Posted by durendal55 at 12:48 PM : Jul 29, 2008
Truth in history, is always a matter of perspective--the reason there are revisionists--is that so much truth is distorted to the advantage of the conquerers or dominant people. - Reply to this comment
- Best of luck to all and to all a great day!
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- oldyouso12 - Your response regarding Small Pox demonstrates that you have been reading re-written history. In fact, the Small Pox infected blankes tactic was a later tactic and not part of what Pizzaro or Cortez did.
Posted by durendal55 at 12:32 PM : Jul 29, 2008
You should try going to Barcelona and cities in Europe. There, they have these things call incunabula and of course many of the writings that went on after Cristobol Columbus was here. One of those documents is a letter written by Cortez to his benefactors about the use of small pox blankets--you digress--this is not really about Indians or blankets unless you are through speaking about outsourcing and insourcing but the facts are--Cortez did use small pox as a weapon and he was not the first--and he did admit to it in a very ancient document. Some of the revisions of history are not wishful thinking but the corrections made to our previously documented versions as information from other countries becomes more readily acessible. I was not the one to bring up small pox--you were. I spoke of us stealing land--we did. But here "The Smallpox story" by Abbas M. Behbehani, Ph.D c--1988 - Reply to this comment
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