Comments on: Verizon Refuses Phone Records Query

Refuses To Address Maine Legislator's Question On Customer Records Because Of "National Security"

[pvperson]

Actually alphaa10, Bush has been responsible for several hundred thousand deaths, about 4,200 Americans and 4 or 5 hundred thousand Iraqis.

[alphaa10-2009]

Actually, if you ever pause to think about it, Bush himself arranged for "thousands of Americans [to be] killed by terrorist[s] again..." by sending Americans on a fool''s errand to destabilize the MidEast, overthrow Saddam, and then, without any plan for occupation, baby-sit a developing insurgency.

How is that anything but moronic? "Ad hoc" is not a plan, not even an excuse for the leadership Bush and the GOP never provided.

Asked what tangible evidence he had to show that his so-called war on teror was doing anything more than graduating a new class of jihadis in the MidEast, Bush had nothing to show.

Even if we generously credit Bush under the Cheney logic that "absence of proof is not proof of absence" Bush has had ample opportunity in the last five years to show at least something to prove his effectiveness.

Instead, we have little evidence of anything except the signs of a developing police state here in America. Meanwhile, al Qaeda thrives all over the world, and bin Laden continues to laugh us to scorn.

Bush has had only one success-- his struggle to prove to Americans he is the anti-patriot, scheming against the very rule of law and Constitution he pledged to "preserve, protect and defend".

Bush is the equivalent of the con artist who asks, "Have I ever lied to you? Hmmmm?!!!!"

[alphaa10-2009]

Actually, if you ever pause to think about it, Bush himself arranged for "thousands of Americans [to be] killed by terrorist[s] again..." by sending Americans on a fool''s errand to destabilize the MidEast, overthrow Saddam, and then, without any plan for occupation, baby-sit a developing insurgency.

How is that anything but moronic? "Ad hoc" is not a plan, not even an excuse for the leadership Bush and the GOP never provided.

Asked what tangible evidence he had to show that his so-called war on teror was doing anything more than graduating a new class of jihadis in the MidEast, Bush had nothing to show.

Even if we generously credit Bush under the Cheney logic that "absence of proof is not proof of absence" Bush has had ample opportunity in the last five years to show at least something to prove his effectiveness.

Instead, we have little evidence of anything except the signs of a developing police state here in America. Meanwhile, al Qaeda thrives all over the world, and bin Laden continues to laugh us to scorn.

Bush has had only one success-- his struggle to prove to Americans he is the anti-patriot, scheming against the very rule of law and Constitution he pledged to "preserve, protect and defend".

Bush is the equivalent of the con artist who asks, "Have I ever lied to you? Hmmmm?!!!!"

[pvperson]

He didn''t say that ed, but I''m sure you know what he meant. I''m sure you think you know what everone means and thinks. Republicans always do.

[edintex]

"I am A PROUD VERIZON WIRELESS CUSTOMER"
Proud to be a customer of a company, huh...
Posted by PVperson at 04:17 PM : Jul 27, 2008

Sounds like that person that is PROUD to be a Verizon customer is realy proud to be with a company that ASSISTS the government in the intelligence gathering against terrorists.

[pvperson]

There you go ed, is there any article that you won''t drag in 911? Are you Rudy Giuliani?

911 was a bad event, not the worst event to ever happen and probably not the last, but it wasn''t re excuse for destroying our country. You neo-cons are the most anti-american unpatriotic pack I''ve ever seen. Who needs terrorist to ruin America, we''ve got you people to do that.

[edintex]

The morons who don''''t want to see thousands of Americans killed by terrorist again. You are really the morons you liberal idiots won''''t be satisfied until more Americans are killed in this country. Times have changed so get use to it.
Posted by dmw1167 at 04:00 PM : Jul 27, 2008

Yeah, I''ll bet the families of those killed on 911 would rather have their loved ones alive at home right now, wondering if their phone was being listened to! I TRULY wish they were alive at home.

I think about our brothers and sisters up there in NY frequently. I''m still SEETHING about 911.

[pvperson]

"I am A PROUD VERIZON WIRELESS CUSTOMER"

Proud to be a customer of a company, huh.

Are you PROUD to be a customer of the local trash service or gas station? How about PROUD to be a customer of Dishnetwork or DirectTV or Cox cable? Are you PROUD that you bought your tires from Walmart? You don''t have much to be proud about, do you?

[alphaa10-2009]

Rep. Dennis Kucinich has been right all along-- the nation''s chief executive officer is a crook and a scoundrel.

While being a soundrel is not technical grounds for impeachment, high crimes and misdeanors against the United States and its people very definitely are.

The Bush crime and its modus operandi are now exposed for all to see.

The Bush / Cheney scam is the most massive conspiracy of all in American politics, compromising the integrity of the entire federal executive branch.

(see "Bush Should Be Impeached"-- 2)

[edintex]

see Bush Should Be Impeached-- 4)
Posted by alphaa10 at 04:00 PM : Jul 27, 2008

You LOST !!! Its too late now, not enough time left for the impeachment process to finish before Bush finishes his term...Heheheeee.

Now why dont you quit your full time impeach Bush job and go get a REAL job.

[alphaa10-2009]

BUSH SHOULD BE IMPEACHED-- 2

The conspiracy blackened the reputation of an entire party, the GOP congress which abdicated its responsibility and sold its soul for power, while Bush and Cheney ran amok through the American constitutional system. .

The Bush / Cheney scam called into serious doubt the morals and integrity of even the judicial branch-- the same US Supreme Court which had so dishonored itself with shamefully partisan behavior to put Bush in office.

The Bush scam was all about what Cheney called the "remaining prize" in the MidEast-- the vast oil assets of Iraq. The plot began six months before the twin towers fell, when Cheney held a secret meeting with Big Oil-- the details of which Bush and Cheney continue to deny the American public to this day.

(see "Bush Should Be Impeached"-- 3)

[alphaa10-2009]

BUSH SHOULD BE IMPEACHED-- 3

And well they might. By now, as the oil majors rush to the landgrab in Iraq, it becomes clear that those Americans shouting "No blood for oil!" had it exactly right.

Bushscam put the progress of America into reverse for eight long years, demolished our standing among nations, plundered the treasury, ruined the economy and wasted more than 4,000 American lives (not to mention hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives) and tens of thousands of American wounded-- all to launch the biggest political crime in American history. The Bushscam is bigger than Teapot Dome and Tammany Hall by an order of magnitude-- our grandchildren will wonder about us as they read about Bush''s War in history class

Bushscam is a classic case of misplaced trust. In the wake of 911, the US congress gave Bush the critical mission to bring bin Laden to justice. Bush, instead, began his campaign to do anything but. The first order Bush gave Clarke, his national security adviser, was to find out how the Iraqis were involved.

(see Bush Should Be Impeached-- 4)

[edintex]

I''''m sure the germans felt the same way ed and look how well it turned out for them. How many rights and laws are you willing to sacrifice so that you can think your safe at night?
Posted by PVperson at 03:46 PM : Jul 27, 2008

If listening in on my phone conversation in any way helps our government detect terrorists so they may be KILLED, I''m all for it. I prefer not to stand in their way. I would help in any way I could.

Your buddy Hussain Obama will undoubtedly be in office along with a democrapic congress and senate, so they will get their chance to BLIND our intelligence agencies to the point that they wouldnt be able to detect ANYTHING, just like pre 911. They will also make it impossible to SHARE intelligence between our agencies, just like pre 911. We will just see how well the democraps can "protect us" starting January, now wont we?

[alphaa10-2009]

BUSH SHOULD BE IMPEACHED-- 4

Bush saw 911 not as a national disaster and failure on his watch, but a joyous opportunity to bend every rule, tell every untruth to put his hands on Iraq, as if in imitation of his father. We recall Bush, Sr. managed to wrap himself in the American flag to rescue grateful Kuwait, and none called him on the hypocrisy-- not even to remind him he was the one who kept Saddam in power, and even shipped the monster his own supply of American nerve gas to use at will against whomever he might.

So, like father, like son? Not quite-- from most appearances, Bush Sr., had lost his moral compass by degrees as the cost of doing business. But son George Bush did not even understand the questions of ethics and responsibility, in the first place.

In that respect, alone, Bush is the all-time American anti-patriot. Not content with a nondescript career, he was hungry for power in the worst way. Bush is the individual who, in November, 2005, facing an assembly of his own party members critical of his NSA spying program, bristled like a teenager caught drinking after curfew-- "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face! It''s just a GD)((#@*! piece of paper!"

Is this figure, who claims to be president of the United States, the same who pledged an oath to "protect, preserve and defend" the document he calls a "GD)((#@*! piece of paper"?

[deacon20081]

I am A PROUD VERIZON WIRELESS CUSTOMER and will REMAIN SO!
Posted by monkfellow at 12:46 PM : Jul 27, 2008

AMEN to that I am to. These two bit politicians should find a life. It doesn''''t bother me at all I wonder what he has to hide.
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You freely give up your rights to Verizon? I am a customer as well, and I am not happy with any company that invades my privacy. I am going to cancel my contracts as they come up for renewal on my business lines. You both must be Verizon mouth pieces or employees.

[nextgenman]

"Possibly tens of thousands of Mainers have had their private phone records leaked to the federal government without their knowledge or say-so, and now none of them may ever know," he said.
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Republican supporters don''t mind when the Government spies on them because they''re afraid of a few terrorists.

[pvperson]

I''m sure the germans felt the same way ed and look how well it turned out for them. How many rights and laws are you willing to sacrifice so that you can think your safe at night?

[edintex]

I''''ve read you Patrick Henry post three times and don''''t find anything anywhere about it being OK for the government to wiretap American conversations with immunity.
Posted by PVperson at 03:31 PM : Jul 27, 2008

richnj1 quoted: One of the founding credos of this nation was "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death." If you are willing to give up your freedom just because you''''''''re afraid to die...

This person aparently never read the entire speech and did not know the context. Where in richnj1''s post did it say ANYTHING about a wiretap?

Oh, wait...do you hear that clicking on your phone? You better be careful about what you say or they''ll come during the night and take you away. Its advisable that you DONT sleep at night just in case they come...

[pvperson]

Did the immjmuity bill just passed, have a provision to reverse itself at some time in the future? No it didn''t.

[pvperson]

There you go with that "suspended" again. Know I don''t know that. The governmaet never gives back anything unless forced. Don''t you know that?