Comments on: PETA Up In Arms Over Army Shooting Pigs

Military Says Exercise Is Necessary To Teach Soldiers How To Treat Battlefield Injuries

[gliderguy52]

Maybe some of those PETA folks would like to step up and volunteer to replace a few pigs for this exercise.

[aldon61]

Having gone through this training myself, I can ABSOLUTELY testify to its effectiveness in saving the lives of our soldiers. PETA is incorrect in claiming that there are alternative simulations available; there is simply NOTHING that can prepare a soldier for dealing with bleeding and breathing issues without doing it hands-on. When they have to immediately react to a wounded friend or brother in the battlefield, this training is the difference between life and death for that soldier. The killing of animals is horrible and grotesque but results have been proven to save many human lives and the federal government mandates that the animals feel NO pain and are constantly overseen by a veterinarian who provides intravenous anesthesia. I''''m believe PETA''''s hearts are in the right place but their efforts are mis-guided and mis-informed in this case. But if you believe an animal''''s life is more valuable than a soldier''''s, no argument is going to sway that opinion. Just know that the animals are cared for and treated with the utmost respect for the sacrifice that they make for us.



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Posted by jay12384566 at 02:33 PM : Jul 18, 2008

Who get''s the meat if the animal dies? I''m serious, killing an animal other than for food or self preservation, or to end it''s suffering is just plain wrong!

[aldon61]

I don''t normally back PETA in anything, I feel they''re a bunch of whacko''s. That said, I have to think there is an alternative to shooting live animals; what that is, I can''t say, maybe spend time in an inner-city ER room. There they will receive patients that have been shot, and perhaps learn from qualified ER doctor''s just how it should be done. Take that training into a class situation, and bring up the "what if" you don''t have the proper equipment scenario. Torturing an animal and possibly kiling it for no good reason is not acceptable. Killing it for meat?..........NO PROBLEM!

[infe5]

jay12384566,
You put it perfectly. By the way is it just part of a CLS class or do non-designated CLS personnel participate as well? I''m out of the military now, but my CLS certification a few years ago was no where near as valuable as this training.

[jay12384566]

Having gone through this training myself, I can ABSOLUTELY testify to its effectiveness in saving the lives of our soldiers. PETA is incorrect in claiming that there are alternative simulations available; there is simply NOTHING that can prepare a soldier for dealing with bleeding and breathing issues without doing it hands-on. When they have to immediately react to a wounded friend or brother in the battlefield, this training is the difference between life and death for that soldier. The killing of animals is horrible and grotesque but results have been proven to save many human lives and the federal government mandates that the animals feel NO pain and are constantly overseen by a veterinarian who provides intravenous anesthesia. I''m believe PETA''s hearts are in the right place but their efforts are mis-guided and mis-informed in this case. But if you believe an animal''s life is more valuable than a soldier''s, no argument is going to sway that opinion. Just know that the animals are cared for and treated with the utmost respect for the sacrifice that they make for us.

[jay12384566]

Having gone through this training myself, I can ABSOLUTELY testify to its effectiveness in saving the lives of our soldiers. PETA is incorrect in claiming that there are alternative simulations available; there is simply NOTHING that can prepare a soldier for dealing with bleeding and breathing issues without doing it hands-on. When they have to immediately react to a wounded friend or brother in the battlefield, this training is the difference between life and death for that soldier. The killing of animals is horrible and grotesque but results have been proven to save many human lives and the federal government mandates that the animals feel NO pain and are constantly overseen by a veterinarian who provides intravenous anesthesia. I''m believe PETA''s hearts are in the right place but their efforts are mis-guided and mis-informed in this case. But if you believe an animal''s life is more valuable than a soldier''s, no argument is going to sway that opinion. Just know that the animals are cared for and treated with the utmost respect for the sacrifice that they make for us.

[frankbowers]

I thionk it is time the US Military inducts this Kathy Gillermo and all her people and send them to the front lines some where. Let them see what the need is and then shoot her with a none leathel shot to the head and brain pan as well as 10 or 12 of her followers and see then if she/them complains if she/they do not think it isd okay to experiment with pigs goats or what have you we will quit until then for here and PETA to shut up it is for the women/men who are protecting her ignorantass.
Frank Bowers of Austin vet of 8 years who wish to thank those who are working to help those who get wounded even though it is now being done for oil and gw bushs'' lies.

[deacon20081]

Before being sent to Viet Nam we learned to care for ourselves and others on the battle field. Never did a "Pig" or any animal come into play..what is up with this stupidity? When did the Army start doing this junk? Practice on Rove and Rush would also be inhumane. Treating slime is not the same thing.

[infe5]

The purpose of this training is NOT "target practice". This is training meant for first-response combat medical personnel (medics or designated combat life savers). There is no way to conduct alternate training that would have as much value, save treating gunshot wounds on live humans for training purposes(which is not feasible for what I hope are obvious reasons). Furthermore, this training has been reviewed and approved by an IACUC (Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee). These committees are comprised of veterinarians and various research experts. IACUCs MUST adhere to strict ethical and safety based federal regulations. Frivolous research is not approved by IACUCs. This implies that this research/training is of value and cannot be adequately addressed by other means.

[minnick8-2009]

We could use Iraqis or terroists.

Posted by hambonehd

Yes, we could empty out Guantonamo facility.

[lorinkundert]

You PETA people get a life, I like my meat on a Pita, funny how the names are so similar.

[hambonehd]

"The bloody exercise, she said, is difficult for soldiers because they sometimes associate the animals with their own pet dogs."

What is this woman a total idiot...
It is nothing compared to what they may have to deal with; so it could help.

[hambonehd]

Nugger08,

LMAO! I''m with you. What an idiot.!
We could use Iraqis or terroists.

[elukacek]

PETA is so right on about this. People it is 2008 come on it is inhumane to do this, we have the technology now that they could use a humane robot now come on. This is disgusting and cruel. Now yes i understand they are raised for food and i agree on humane killing for food but to shoot them putting them in severe pain and trying to fix it is down right cruel and beyond the year 2008

[cdfoxtrot1]

Dan9111, PETA has its mission, others have theirs. There are plenty of human rights groups around, doing the work you''re talking about. Your complaint is like complaining that you can''t walk into a McDonald''s and buy a car. PETA has a mission and does its job extremely well.

As for the topic, I have never heard of an army using live animals for target practice. Or dead ones for that matter. Sounds very, very primitive and I sincerely doubt it serves any useful purpose other than "training" some acne faced 18 year olds that mistreating animals (e.g. pigs, Moooooslims, etc.) is okidoki.

[dan9111]

It is not about hippies or tree-hugging. It is about reciprocation and fairness. The simple fact that humans are also animals and PETA won''t come to the defense even of innocent children is proof that PETA only cares about murder when the animal is cuddly enough. The PETA people should work against human torture but they never will. When human children are harmed worse than you would ever harm a puppy, they tune it out and change the subject. Despite the fact that I find the pig-shooting quite disgusting, for those of us who have been abused to listen to PETA now would be rather foolish.

PETAs behavior is like going to a homeless shelter and asking the homeless people to give all their food in order to feed hungry pigeons.

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sig heil, MORE GERITOL, McCain!!!!!
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Posted by walt1944

I say we shoot Walt and then ..... just wait.

[jmurrieta1]

PETA has requested that Iraqis be substituted for the pigs.

[latrocinor-2009]

PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals

[extremophil]

As long as they dress the pigs like arabs, it''s OK with me.