Comments on: PETA Up In Arms Over Army Shooting Pigs

Military Says Exercise Is Necessary To Teach Soldiers How To Treat Battlefield Injuries

[greghad]

patriot12436:

Great idea on putting soldiers through training in the CSH (combat support hospital) or even at the BAS (Battalion aid station) level. The real problem here is that our combat medics and combat life-savers need training at the point of wounding, where there is no other support, there are limited supplies, and decisions have to be made immediately. The fact is that 95% of wounded I see in the CSH will survive- I need the medics to get them to me alive.
Would you tolerate having a medic learn on your child, where we would see if he could do the massive bleeding exercise with just the aid bag he carries. Do we re-open wounds and elicit massive bleeding to make sure they get this training- if there is anything I learned from this course, it is the hemostatic agents we use to stop bleeding (HemCon and QuikClot) take practice to be used with ANY effectiveness.
Please understand that we need this training to save more lives on the battlefield, and nothing approximates it better. I''ve seen other posts here from those who have been through the training, and no-one is refuting the fact that there is no substitute for this program.
I''ll take anyone seriously if they have been there- and I am not seeing much negative coming from those who have experienced combat medicine AND been through this training.

[blackyowe]

This is not the same as butchering, that is done swiftly. Shooting them and just wounding them is animal cruelty by any standard. It really makes me mad! This is so sick I am outraged. Those poor pigs with suffer terribly and they scream like crazy and no way can you hold them down. This is going to be on ugly scene! Who dreamed up this stupid thing *** Cheney?

[babooph]

I hope pita knows that my butcher only has meat from animals that have commited suicide-I would be uneasy about them picketing my home-does the cabbage lie in terror when the mexican approaches with his field knife??I worry about things like that when I see colslaw.

[patriot12436]

sfden
If your not part of the solution then you are a part of the problem.

[patriot12436]

fergsf
On a serious note, noone has seen or done more killing than me in a war zone. I do not condone this training of using animals as it is cruel and the animal does suffer. But if i have to choose between an animal and a human, i would choose human while still regretting the animals life. The thing i came home from the war with was a respect for all life. I have a lot of interaction with wildlife and it is a beautiful experience. I have no desire to hurt or kill anyone or anything since the war.

[patriot12436]

deacon20081
We couldn''t use politicians, everyone knows they have no blood running thru their veins.

[patriot12436]

messiahx4eve
I agree with your idea, all but the pardon, if they have been sentenced to death then let them serve out their sentence. You could drug them so they don''t feel anythig then shoot them and treat the wounds. That way you would not be violating their civil rights.

[patriot12436]

Armydoc4
I understand your position, but i will never condone the harming of an animal in a cruel manner even for learning purposes. They also feel the pain. With all the troops coming back why not have the students available at the military hospitals where they come in for treatment, and even send them to the war zones when they are in advanced training. I am sure a tour in a mash unit would be very valuable. I also agree with debra about using child molestors. I would have no compassion for their pain.

[whiskyrocker]

sfden
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Which one are you?

[whiskyrocker]

debrasimons
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What a great original idea. You have my vote.

[cfin5]

I hate hearing of wierd things like this. But wouldn''t I ever shut my mouth knowing a Medic saved the life of a soldier, or child for that matter, from mortal wounds,.....especially if it was my son. PETA has no credibility to open their mouth anyhow,.....dog slayers they are for sure.

[kaylag04]

People with Extra Time in Abundance.

[debrasimons]

I think we should use convicted child molesters and child abusers in the place of the intelligent harmless pigs. Actually pigs IQ''s have been tested and are found to be higher than dogs. So therefore I do not condone using these animals but I do condone using antisocial molesters and abusive monsters.

[sfden]

I''m done with these posts - nothing but Rednecks, 3rd Graders, Neocons and Combinations.

[whiskyrocker]

I think these PETA people should volunteer for the job.

[greghad]

My bad on the multiple publishes- the result of hitting the publish button came back with the message that the button was temporarily disabled, and nothing about the response being published.

[greghad]

I''ve been through the training, as well as medical school and was a paramedic. I have tried them all- cadaver, simulated humans, computer-based programs, and the E.R. My class had two-hundred soldiers being trained in gunshot wounds as you know, simulated improvised explosive device injuries, collapsed lungs and blocked airways. Tell me how you are going to give hands-on training to two-hundred students in one-week''s time in hospitals? The course was deemed by the highest ranking doctor to the lowest ranking medic as being the best medical training we have ever had. As for gunshot wounds on the pigs, we were never present during the wounding, and instead raced to the casualty after they were done (like it usually happens for medics in the real deal). We need to train many more people in one week than there are patients in a year of medicine in the whole nation. I am not interested in preserving the lives of a farm animal in trade for a dead soldier or, quite possibly, a civilian victim here in America that one of my soldiers could have saved if afforded this training. This is your military making the decision, who are honorable as a unit and as individuals, and would not allow an animal to be killed needlessly. Please allow us to bring as many of our troops home alive instead of ignorantly condemning the best medical training any of us soldiers have ever gotten.

[whiskyrocker]

ArmyDoc4
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You only have to hit the "publish" icon once.FYI

[greghad]

I''ve been through the training, as well as medical school and was a paramedic. I have tried them all- cadaver, simulated humans, computer-based programs, and the E.R. My class had two-hundred soldiers being trained in gunshot wounds as you know, simulated improvised explosive device injuries, collapsed lungs and blocked airways. Tell me how you are going to give hands-on training to two-hundred students in one-week''s time in hospitals? The course was deemed by the highest ranking doctor to the lowest ranking medic as being the best medical training we have ever had. As for gunshot wounds on the pigs, we were never present during the wounding, and instead raced to the casualty after they were done (like it usually happens for medics in the real deal). We need to train many more people in one week than there are patients in a year of medicine in the whole nation. I am not interested in preserving the lives of a farm animal in trade for a dead soldier or, quite possibly, a civilian victim here in America that one of my soldiers could have saved if afforded this training. This is your military making the decision, who are honorable as a unit and as individuals, and would not allow an animal to be killed needlessly. Please allow us to bring as many of our troops home alive instead of ignorantly condemning the best medical training any of us soldiers have ever gotten.

[greghad]

I''ve been through the training, as well as medical school and was a paramedic. I have tried them all- cadaver, simulated humans, computer-based programs, and the E.R. My class had two-hundred soldiers being trained in gunshot wounds as you know, simulated improvised explosive device injuries, collapsed lungs and blocked airways. Tell me how you are going to give hands-on training to two-hundred students in one-week''s time in hospitals? The course was deemed by the highest ranking doctor to the lowest ranking medic as being the best medical training we have ever had. As for gunshot wounds on the pigs, we were never present during the wounding, and instead raced to the casualty after they were done (like it usually happens for medics in the real deal). We need to train many more people in one week than there are patients in a year of medicine in the whole nation. I am not interested in preserving the lives of a farm animal in trade for a dead soldier or, quite possibly, a civilian victim here in America that one of my soldiers could have saved if afforded this training. This is your military making the decision, who are honorable as a unit and as individuals, and would not allow an animal to be killed needlessly. Please allow us to bring as many of our troops home alive instead of ignorantly condemning the best medical training any of us soldiers have ever gotten.