Comments on: Nevada ACLU Backs Gun Rights

Bucks National Organization In Supporting Recent Court Ruling On Right To Own Handguns

[baldwin2008]

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[cfin5]

Posted by seataffer at 09:26 PM : Jul 13, 2008--- In 1848, the Swiss Constitution prohibited any new contracts for service in foreign armies, and in 1859, all mercenary service was prohibited. There are still 90 Swiss soldiers that guard the Pope at the Vatican. Got anything half ways CURRENT in this? Or do you want to go clear back to why Cain murdered Abel? Was it a garden tool he used and should those also be banned?

[wogerwabbit]

As the ACLU should support gun rights. We need a solid defense against the neocon invaders. To me, gun control is good aim... I learned it by shooting thumbtacks at 50 feet with a pellet gun in high school. You neocons have it all wrong... we advocate peace, not surrender. And despite your insanity, winning does not mean selling your soul to the highest bidder. There is an integrity implied in winning that you do not possess... honor. Winning at any cost demeans us all, it lowers us to your level of depravity. We achieved new lows under Bush''s leadership, and I''m sure you traitors are proud of it... such is the measure of your soul. Enjoy your time in hell, you''ve earned it.

[seataffer]

"For centuries, of course, neutrality as a policy of the [swiss] confederation was really something of a statement of impotence.. The cantons aligned themselves with competing princes all over Europe - usually RENTING the services of their highly sought armies or units of them as MERCENARIES. For hundreds of years, as one military historian has written, arms of this sort were "Switzerland''s leading export."

This practice indeed helped enrich the region .. - and thus, while Switzerland was neutral, the Swiss were fighting all the time: hard, sharp. This practice, however, led to its own absurdities. It helped keep Switzerland divided and even encouraged foreign meddling, since it was well known that for the right price most cantons could be swayed to shift alliances. It also led to the repeated comedy of Swiss troops from different cantons facing one another in battle. With grim logic, the Swiss fought bravely in such struggles, killing many of themselves.
http://www.world-wide-democracy.net/SwissDD/SwissDD_16_20.html

[seataffer]

cfin: "My mistake here. I meant to say "even the Russians" pertaining to the Russo-Finnish war in 1939-40. Another example with the SAME THEME. Hitler was stopped by his generals from entering Switzerland knowing the casualties that would be inflicted on them.."

.. same theme? you do know the russians won the border war vs finland, albeit at cost .. but they weren''t dissuaded from attacking finland despite mannerheim''s line & all it''s crack shots behind it (russian armor & art, albeit freeze problems).
.. how can it be the same theme when hitler opted out while stalin opted in? uh, no alps at the frozen lake ladoga? sea level terrain.
.. it wasn''t fear of finn riflemen that hindered stalin, russian problems arose due to cold weather effects on armor & mech & the ski mobile finns.

cfin:...Read the book!

.. not gonna happen, I don''t do gun gurus for hire.

[seataffer]

cin: "Hitler was stopped by his generals from entering Switzerland knowing the casualties that would be inflicted on them.."

.. pffft, when did ''hitler''s generals'' really sway him from what he wanted? he realized the futility.
.. of course hitler balked, the cost too high, the neutrality status quo acceptable, but it wasn''t primarily due swiss ''armed rifles'' miles away up the mtns; the mtn fortress kept swiss neutrality intact where belgium''s/&benelux collapsed.

.. [at warstart] the Swiss fully deployed in defensive positions along the expected path of a German invasion and negotiated calling for French military support.. The mountains make Sw- a natural fortress and its capable army is known to be highly trained in MOUNTAIN WARFARE, so Hitler preferred to leave it in peace, surrounded from all sides by Axis territory" [exc west]. http://www.2worldwar2.com/leaders.htm

.. it was not mere respect for its neutrality which kept the Nazi armies [out]. It was the determination of the Swiss people to defend their neutrality and the credibility of their means to do so..
http://www.constitution.org/mil/swiss_report.htm

.. from your own halbrookgod: "The most famous element of Swiss defense were the sabotage plans: [on] German invasion, Simplon and St Gotthard tunnels would be blown, as well as all bridges over the Rhine, power stations, and air fields. Avalanches and landslides would be set off to block armor and infantry movement.

[davidlar2]

The second amendment is misinterpreted. The weapons that are protected are anti-tank guns and sidewinder missiles that would be needed to fight the US government if the federal government were to take powers not given it in the US constitution or overstep its authority and start acting totalitarian. That was the original intent. Of course, I guess we need not worry, as there is no evidence that the US government would ever do anything not specifically stated in the Constitution or anything without the interests of the average American in mind, land of the free....

[cfin5]

"Of all the neutrals Switzerland has the greatest right to distinction... She has been a democratic State, standing for freedom in self-defense among her mountains, and in thought, in spite of race, largely on our side." --- Winston Churchill......I see three nations on this Earth that are alike,...The United States of America, Switzerland, and Israel.

[cfin5]

cfin: The Finnish patriots made dang sure that the Nazis would not forget this lesson.

.. you do know finland was allied with nazi germany don''''t you? due the common russian enemy at thier gate.

Posted by seataffer at 04:05 PM : Jul 13, 2008--- My mistake here. I meant to say "even the Russians" pertaining to the Russo-Finnish war in 1939-40. Another example with the same theme. Hitler was stopped by his generals from entering Switzerland knowing the casualties that would be inflicted on them, so they tried desperately with propaganda delivered through fifth columnist within Switzerland. Swiss Intelligence extended clear to the top in the German Wehrmacht and they used it accordingly. My comments were regarding what was successful for the Swiss, a reason "why" we have the 2nd. Amendment from their model, not the current deterioration of their national heritage......Read the book!

[greeneyes222]

Good for the Nevada ACLU.

The problem with a lot of organizations, be they the ACLU, religious denominations, or political parties, is they start out with the best of intentions. Then some group makes its way to the top and they become caricatures with different agendas. Same name, different focus, but always with an emphasis on imposing order on the membership and telling the members what to believe.

It''s incumbent on all of us as rational humans to look at the organizations we belong to, and if they no longer represent what we believe to say so. The Nevada ACLU has done that, and I applaud them for it.