Comments on: White House: No Greenhouse Gas Regulation

Citing Effects On U.S. Economy, Bush Passes Global Warming Problem To Next Administration

[jimfinster]

on_alert247:



From the GISS website:

"Global warming stopped in 1998," has become a recent mantra of those who wish to deny the reality of human-caused global warming. The continued rapid increase of the five-year running mean temperature exposes this assertion as nonsense. In reality, global temperature jumped two standard deviations above the trend line in 1998 because the "El Niqo of the century" coincided with the calendar year, but there has been no lessening of the underlying warming trend.


These guys actually ARE rocket scientists, LOL. And you?

[jimfinster]

also take into consideration all the "jobs" of the "scientists" that will lose all their grants and jobs if they were to confirm that Global Warming in nothing more than a natural phenomenon. There is money and power in continuing the fear factor of this doom and gloom.

Posted by Stick1770


NASA scientists are govt employees, and have jobs regardless. I know this "lose their grants" idea is popular with the rightwing bunch, but it is just not factual.

[on_alert247]

Ubrew,
The problem with your explanation is that the satellite data is not measuring the temperature of the ice.

[jimfinster]

Jim,

GISS is not based on satellite data.

Posted by on_alert247


Below is copied from the GISS website:


"Goddard Institute researchers used temperature data from weather stations on land, satellite measurements of sea ice temperature since 1982 and data from ships for earlier years."

[stick1770]

also take into consideration all the "jobs" of the "scientists" that will lose all their grants and jobs if they were to confirm that Global Warming in nothing more than a natural phenomenon. There is money and power in continuing the fear factor of this doom and gloom.

[stick1770]

Yeah you''re all right, we are going to forever ruin the earth in the 100yrs of industry we''ve had. Even though the Earth has been through a million times worse natural events than we will ever be able to recreate. The CO2 levels have been extremely higher than they will be at the peak of our industry and yet the earth has somehow without our assistance coped and came back to a balance. But oh no you Global Warming freaks want to play God or something and save every bug and bacteria, restrict our freedoms and have us go live in tents. The planet continues to evolve and handle any problem we through at it. The problem is we have a bunch of idiots that want to keep the earth exactly like it is and never have it change in any way. You ever think that we are fighting the bigger battle of stopping the natural evolution of our planet? Next thing you know some nut will say we''re headed for an ice age and are all going to lose ground to glaciers then we will be pumping CO2 into the air to warm the planet. Why not just go about our lives and let nature take it''s course. Go play god somewhere else like Mars.

[on_alert247]

Jim,

GISS is not based on satellite data.

[jimfinster]

GISS is a reworked data set based on rural and urban adjustments that have been determined to be contaminated by poorly sited equipment in cities.

Posted by on_alert247

This is not really correct. True, the early measurements starting in 1880 are a little crude. But for many years now they have been using sophisticated measuring systems, including satellite data. Go to the GISS website and study how and what they do.

[jimfinster]

on_alert247:

You may or may not have valid points. But what is your expertise in this field?

I would rely on NASA for this type of data. They have the best and brightest scientists available, and many many years of experience in this area.

[ubrew12]

on_alert247 said: "You''re still dancing around the fact that temperatures have decreased across a vast area of the [Antarctic]... I don''t care how you account for the entropy. "
Anything that can change phase as it heats will do so, and until it is done changing phase, its temperature will remain constant. Once it is done, further heating will result in warming. Why then, given all the ice and water in rough equilibrium in Antartica, would one expect it to warm? One would expect it to MELT, and the mass data from gravity measurements on polar satellites shows it IS melting. The data you posted on Antartica temperature measurements showed no statistically significant temperature movement over the decades, compared to its huge seasonal swings in temperature. The conclusions of YOUR PAPER indicate "the majority of the continent shows no significant trend'', which one can SEE from the plots in the paper.

I don''t know what this has to do with entropy accounting. Place a themocouple in an ice-water bath over a stove and you''ll measure no increase in sensible temperature. Entropy increases as heat is absorbed NOT through sensible temperature increase but through ice melting into water (phase change).