Comments on: Wife Killed In Front Of Daughter At YMCA

Suspect At Large After Arguing With Wife As She And Girl Waited During Son's Swim Class

[mydiatribe]

The only thing that will stop a maniac with a gun intent on committing murder is another citizen with a gun who is skilled at using who has sufficient dispassion to make a rational assessment to do what is necessary.

This is precisely why we employ law enforcement or a military response. The Police cannot possibly be everywhere at once. It is wise to permit law abiding citizens to stand in.

The problem is not the gun, it is screening out the criminals and the crazies.

[patriot12436]

ubrew12
I do not whine. I state it is my right under the constitution and i will not surrender my weapons to anyone or any govt. Period. I do not advocate anyone having a weapon. That is a personal decision for those who are given this right. I do not go lookig for someone to shoot. If it happens that i must then it will be because they came looking to do harm.

[patriot12436]

ubrew12
Your comment was cold and uncalled for.I would nver wish for anyone to witness a murder, especially a child. You were out of line.

[jodyrae4]

restraining orders are a joke

[tmittelstaed]

Unfortunately, in this case the wife did the wrong thing. As soon as her husband walked up she should have immediately walked into the Y office and called 911, and refused to talk to her husband. He likely would have pulled his gun anyway, since this appears to be a partly premeditated job, but in such close proximity to other people, someone might have had the presense of mind to smash the back of his head in with some large, heavy object before he could have gotten off a few shots. Instead, she engaged him in an argument. In most situations, if bystanders see 2 people arguing with each other, they assume that both people -want- to argue. Very few are going to assume that one of the parties is going to haul out a gun.
Like a lot of people I carry a cell with me and if I see 2 people arguing I will ignore it, but if I see one person obviously scared of the other, and running away, I would be on the cell in seconds, dialing 911.
With luck, the other unidentified man will read the news and call a tip into police as to where the perp is hiding out. With better luck, in the process of apprehending the perp, he will resist and the cops will shoot him.
One of the big problems with these kinds of issues is that women in these sorts of relationships will get repeatedly conned, part of them -wants- to believe that hubby will -get better-. So they will continue to engage hubby, even if there''s a restraining order.

[ubrew12]

ubrew12 said: "I''m glad the daughter had to watch. Its important to educate our children about the Constitutional rights of gun owners."

patriot12436 said: "You are one sick sob. "

I''d rather say it and prevent it from happening, than blather on about my right to own a gun, and let it happen. And that''s what happens, daily, here in America. American gun owners whine constantly about their God-given right to take a life to protect their property, and just as constantly look the other way when the life taken is a bystander. To say it again:

just because you have the right to smoke a cigarette, doesn''t mean I have to die of secondhand smoke.

[patriot12436]

ubrew12
You are one sick sob. I would never wish for anyone to have to witness the killing of any human being, much less a child.

[toldyouso12]

If not a gun, then a golf club, if not a club then a knife, if not a knife then whatever--when someone wants you dead they can find a way--and they will probably succeed. In Indiana, the death of this woman in this way, is why police must notify former victims that their nightmare is going to be released prior to the con getting out. You want to blame guns--because that is something to latch on to and to blame--but you delude yourself if you think the same killers would not kill if there were no guns--people to not use guns to kill as an absolute--if they want to kill and guns are not available--maybe they will go to bombs or poisons or cars--shooting is a method not a mandate to a killer.

blaming guns for this death is like blaming skimpy clothes for a woman''s rape. It is finding a factor you can rail against and think you can control--guns are not our problem in this society--it is deeper than that. At some point, Americans began to think that killing other people is okay or not that big a deal. We do it by preemptive war, we do it by guns, by knives, by strangling, smothering, etc. There is a sickness among us--it''s like we can''t be destroyed by another country--so nature is making us destroy ourselves. "The Happening" slowly--life imitates art.

[toldyouso12]

Oh no, guns don''''t kill people...people kill people. If the stupid dad had opted to strangle her, maybe someone could''''ve intervened...quicker!Posted by BBrundj at 07:26 PM : Jun 27, 2008


Just last week, we were all blogging about that dad who stomped his 2 year old to death in the middle of the street while a lot of people looked on and called 911. The man was finally taken out with a bullet by the police, the baby had to be identified by DNA. Had the man strangled his wife, many would not have intervened (feeling it was a family matter) except for calling 911--the daughter would then have the memory of the time and pain and proximity of her dad, choking her mom to death--while strangers looked sadly on, but never jumped in to do anything.

It happens all the time. Years ago a woman in Indy was killed with a rifle. Her husband got out of jail and the police did not tell her--even though the reason he went to jail was for trying to kill her. He found her, drug her into a neighbor''s yard--and with surrounding neighbors looking on, he pummeled her in the face and head over and over again until she died. Bits of her skull and flesh were embedded in the butt when the police got there. Mr Biancha''s words? ''I told that ***** she was gonna die and I meant it''.

[toldyouso12]

It''''s a complete mystery. The murder rate should have gone up at a very fast rate. After all, guns prevent murder.

It''''s probably just a conspiracy. Yeah, that''''s it.

Posted by martel_v at 06:56 PM : Jun 27, 2008


It''s not a mystery at all. The truth is, a certain segment of the population not only buy guns--they collect them. Gun ownership is not increasing by person per se but by buying power. Then there are the fact that we are in two wars with a very bad economy that is getting worse, high inflation, rampant crime and rampant corruption and double standards in government. There is a certain legal lawlessness going on. Add it all up then throw in fractured families, very dysfunctional family units, a spoiled country and an amazing amount of stress. Lastly throw in a sense of densensitization to others and disassociation with others due to the way we are living these days via phones, the internet, video games, etc. In the end, we are inured to violence and sense it happens so much around us, people either develop a higher tolerance for it all or go out and buy more guns to protect themselves from it all. As the economy gets worse, the crime and violence will grow--then gun ownership will grow to combat that--more violence will happen. Each feeds the other. There''s no mystery in this.