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Elementary School Teachers Poorly Prepared To Teach Math, Study Finds

[slim1h2o]

mitchoncbs at 10:47 AM : Jun 26, 2008

In your "so called" debate. Which you attacked me for no reason. Remember?

And for the lonely part,,Do you really believe that? Do you think thats what I''m all about?
You need to go back to Quantum Physics lab.

slim1h2o, I will stand corrected if you answer me this, how does one lose their honor from this forum? You are that lonely that you Gain and lose honor from Internet Blogs? I had a phone call....got a head of myself...

[starleo146]

StarLeo,

Of course I am not satisfied with the state of education as it is in the country. Read some of these idiots and you can see that we are doomed.

Slim1H2O thought his teachers were stupid, Johnax figure that since HE didn''''t need math then no one does... except for those entering into to science and engineering ans such... Libsluv2spit and JamesM are idiots.

Regards,

Posted by Nancy_Naive at 10:29 AM : Jun 26, 2008

Well I see you are dissatisfied with the educational system ,and that is good. The children in this country are so behind, everyone needs to say stop this now, but in fairness the leaders of the school system, from the budget, to rules, to money given to the schools are just absurd, and it prohibits the teachers from following there heart. The gangs in the schools all over this country, the shootings of classmates, it is a scary place to be let alone learn.Perhaps these discussion would be far more reaching than attacks of individuals who might have went to school under these conditions, and know what it is like not to learn from a teacher who''s mind is elsewhere, and not on the student.

slim1h2o, I will stand corrected if you answer me this, how does one lose their honor from this forum? You are that lonely that you ain and lose honor from Internet Blogs?

[slim1h2o]

Plain and simple.

Posted by concorde5 at 10:45 AM : Jun 26, 2008

Exactly!!

[drivelphobe]

concorde5

While I strongly agree that teachers need much higher compensation, the attraction of teachers of quality may not increase dramatically even with better pay. An improved method of screening applicants, elimination of tenure and customer approval analysis would be big help. Parents and students know which teachers are doing terrific jobs. Their input sould be strongly considered in the evaluation process.

There are large numbers of excellent teachers in the system, but the worthless ones are impossible to remove. We need to be able to dump them.

concorde5, your consensus is based on what you saw, and not the whole picture. Or maybe what you perceived to see. Regardless, it isn''t about the money; it is about the ability to take control of the classroom. You use the word dumb so loosely, it makes me wonder how well you did while in college. Just because someone doesn''t do well, you think they are "dumb"....that is such a negative thing to say. So you put yourself on a pedestal just because you received your BS Degree?

[concorde5]

You can have the most orderly classroom in america and if the teacher is an idiot the children won''t learn.

Plain and simple.

starleo14672, very true. A high school diploma doesn''t mean anything when you go to the store and give someone money for a product and they have to depend on a computer telling them how much change to give back. I find it comical when I give someone 3.01 for something that cost 2.16 and they can''t figure out how much change to give me back. Yes, I do this on purpose just to see what they know. The fun part is teaching them to count UP when giving change back.

[slim1h2o]

mitchoncbs at 10:32 AM : Jun 26, 2008

And you have me pegged wrong. You need to go back and read the posts to me, from Nancy. I am just fighting for my honor, against some over inflated ego. Thats all I''m doing.
And I would never assume that all I say is right,,and everyone else is wrong. I know better, and now so do you.

[concorde5]

mitchoncbs.....I am in my thirties and I have a college degree in Biology and Computer Science. I have tutored for many years starting in high school. I would LOVE to teach and I have a sincere passion for teaching and seeing children''s eyes light up when they finally understand a concept that they thought they would never learn. I don''t teach because of PAY. I have to pay my mortgage, I have to have a certain standard of living. Teaching does not provide the level of income I would need to teach.

The only people that went into education at the university I attended were those who flunked out of something else. Those who were too dumb to get a degree in biology or computer science or engineering went into education. That is the Problem.

[drivelphobe]

mitchoncbs....

You have hit the nail on the head. Orderly, respectful classrooms are critical to the educational process, be it math or anything else. When teachers stared showing up for work in casual clothing and trying to be buddies with the student body, it was the end of an era of learning and what we see is what we deserve for allowing this.

The bright, motivated kids will always do well but the others have been dealt a blow of giant proportion and are being short changed. Their lives will less for it.

[slim1h2o]

Posted by Nancy_Naive at 10:29 AM : Jun 26, 2008

They were stupid Nancy,,,Not sure who Johnax is,,but I didn''t say that no one needed math, in fact,,I didn''t say a word on the subject.

Just said that most of my teachers were stupid, and they were!

Just like you,,,,,Cheers

[starleo146]

After receiving my Ph.D. in Quantum Mathematics, I knew I wouldn''''t be able to live the life style I have become accustomed to, so I started tutoring under privileged children in math. From junior high to high school. Not charging the parents anything because Math is such an important subject, I needed to hone my teaching skills. I have been rewarded so many times from this. Watching the eyes open up with that, "oh yeah, I get it" look. The one on one is okay, but it will never prepare me for the full class room. In my class, students are required to show complete manners, "yes sir, no sir%u201D Call me Dr. Simmons, or Mr. Simmons. None of this, "I will be your friend" kind of thing. That is what''''s missing in our schools. Teachers have lost the ability to command respect.

Posted by mitchoncbs at 10:21 AM : Jun 26, 2008

There you go, congratulations sir, this is so right what this gentleman said. I wish our system would pay more attention to learning, and if they would just teach they would learn. In my day the teachers were teaching because they loved it, all this garbage thrown in by no child left behind and everything else they forget what they are there for.

slim1h2o, if you knew what a true debate was, you wouldn''t be acting like you are. To have a true debate, you need an arbitrator...in this form you don''t. It is just an argument and nothing else. You think you are always right, and then there is everyone else.....GROW UP and learn something other than what you can Google.

[slim1h2o]

I''m still waiting Nancy

Tsk Tsk Tsk

concorde5, that is a closed minded approach. You are missing the big picture. You must be in your late twenties or early thirties to have a statement like that.

After receiving my Ph.D. in Quantum Mathematics, I knew I wouldn''t be able to live the life style I have become accustomed to, so I started tutoring under privileged children in math. From junior high to high school. Not charging the parents anything because Math is such an important subject, I needed to hone my teaching skills. I have been rewarded so many times from this. Watching the eyes open up with that, "oh yeah, I get it" look. The one on one is okay, but it will never prepare me for the full class room. In my class, students are required to show complete manners, "yes sir, no sir%u201D Call me Dr. Simmons, or Mr. Simmons. None of this, "I will be your friend" kind of thing. That is what''s missing in our schools. Teachers have lost the ability to command respect.

[concorde5]

mitchomcbs......I strongly disagree with you. The problem is that we have IDIOTS teaching our children. We MUST get better teachers by paying them more. 30k a year only attracts idiots. We have the dumbest people becoming teachers then we wonder why the children aren''t learning. Yes there are other problems with the school system but dumb teachers is the single biggest problem.

[starleo146]

Alas StarLeo, I fear that you are.

Posted by Nancy_Naive at 10:11 AM : Jun 26, 2008

Don''t fear me Nancy I won''t hurt you, just answer the question, or didn''t they teach you how to do that in your school. Were you ever in a debate class