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Investigators Unsure Why Father With No Criminal Record Or Mental Illness Would Beat "Demons" From 2-Year-Old Son

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by txgrouch2004 June 18, 2008 9:52 PM EDT
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none of that matters when you are either taken by surprise or faced with obstacles such as an electric fence.
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I understand that. I was talking abou the OTHER persons, including a volunteer fire chief, who were on the same side of the fence, standing next to the guy.

Doesn''t EVERYBODY learn how to do a headlock on the playground at school??? The guy wasn''t thinking rationally, it wouldn''t have taken much to outsmart him from behind.

I don''t mean to say "go soft" on they guy. I''m saying, WHY DID ONLOOKERS WAIT FOR THE POLICE TO ARRIVE instead of taking the guy down themselves and STOP HIM FROM KICKING AND STOMPING???

I really have to wonder about onlookers who just stand there and count off 100 STOMPS.

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by bluedog8604 June 18, 2008 9:33 PM EDT
Having been a law enforcement officer before, I understand why he did what he did. I was attacked before serving a probation violation warrant. The guy was beating me and a partner severely, and the quickest way to disarm him was to fire at him. He didn''t die, but the shot was enough to knock him to the ground where he was able to be apprehended. As an officer, you are trained to Protect and Serve. If that protection means taking the life of the attacker to save the victim, you do so. Plus, the officers had to deal with an electric fence in the process. Instead of attempting to turn the fence off, scale the fence, and run at the suspect, officers did the right thing by ending the situation as quickly as possible. One person who commented asked where everyone else was. Police officers are not mind readers, nor are they clairvoyants. We cannot look into a crystal ball and see what is going to happen when it happens. Our only hope is to get to the scene as quickly as possible and do everything in our power to reestablish order in that situation. I have worked as a SWAT officer, have taken 7 forms of martial arts, and have had numerous classes on non-lethal takedown manuevers. Yet, none of that matters when you are either taken by surprise or faced with obstacles such as an electric fence. The officers found blood in the cab; it is very possible the boy was beaten on the way to the location where the incident ended. Officers had no way of knowing until someone reports it.
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by jboxton June 18, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
What is the most unbelievable, txgrouch2004, is that you are that big of a liberal d**che that you think this man should have just been subdued. God you weak kneed liberals are making our country a bunch of pansies.
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by sosickofthis June 18, 2008 9:27 PM EDT
one thing is for sure...he''s a demon
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by nobdehom June 18, 2008 8:55 PM EDT
Yea right... he is a real nice "normal" guy! the girlfriend just didn''t know what mentally ill was....this is beyond being on drugs! He just could not cope being left alone with this kid!
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by j_flood June 18, 2008 8:40 PM EDT
Sure is a lot of ''jumpin to conclusions'' in these comments.

The poor mother is left without a child and without an explanation. May the mother recover and the child rest in peace.
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by txgrouch2004 June 18, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
Why doesn''t the volunteer fire chief know how to restrain a person without doing harm? Why did NOBODY know what to do except shoot the man dead?

Didn''t ANYBODY there know how to put someone into a headlock? Wouldn''t that have been better than shooting a man who was clearly deranged, possibly on drugs???

This is the most unbelievable part of the story.
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by informed9 June 18, 2008 6:49 PM EDT
Again, why didn''t someone hit him with a car or crowbar? Or at least throw something at him? I have a 21 month old. I wouldn''t want to leave him parentless, but how could I explain to him that I stood by and watched another baby be beaten to death? If people thought he was kicking trash, why did they stop and observe anyhow? My husband, my father, my grandfather for God''s sake would have beaten the *** out of him, and I certainly would have tried. I''m a mental health professional, I''m fully aware of the strength and intensity of mentally ill persons or persons under the influence, but I would have tried to do more...
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by xxunknown June 18, 2008 6:48 PM EDT
faith_in_w: All I can say is wow. You are disturbed.
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by last121868 June 18, 2008 6:29 PM EDT
This is just as bad (if not worse) than the crowd that watched that guy in california get hit by a car, watched the car speed off, and no one even called 911. The guy laid in the middle of the road and people just walked by, cars swerved to avoid him but no one stopped. It''''s sickening what our world has come to these days when you see someone obviously in trouble and don''''t do anything to help.


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Posted by ccdsswrkr08 at 01:53 PM : Jun 18, 2008
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The incident you are referring to took place in Hartford, Connecticut, not California.. Still sick!
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