Comments on: Gay Marriage Advances In Calif., New York

California Sets June 17 As Date For First Weddings; New York To Recognize Gay Marriages

[susanhelit]

To the United Baptist Churches in Virginia in May, 1789, Washington said that every man "ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience."


In an essay on "Toleration," Franklin wrote:

"If we look back into history for the character of the present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England blamed persecution in the Romish church, but practiced it upon the Puritans. These found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here [England] and in New England."

Boy - Franklin was right - and the cycle never ends, people never learn.


In fact, nowhere in the Constitution do we have a single mention of Christianity, God, Jesus, or any Supreme Being. There occurs only two references to religion and they both use exclusionary wording. The 1st Amendment''s says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . ." and in Article VI, Section 3, ". . . no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

[dmhphils]

Can anybody hear George Washington or Daniel Webster talking about "sxxual orientation" on Oprah?

[dmhphils]

And - yeah, even a supreme court justice can get that wrong - just like the justices who ruled racist laws just were wrong back then.


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Posted by SusanHelit at 01:18 AM : May 30, 2008

blah blah blah blah blah blah
Can''t you hear the air going out of your argument.??

[dmhphils]

Posted by jankebenz at 01:01 AM : May 30, 2008
Thanks for looking those up and pasting them for all to see!

[ontheleft]

OMG. The religious nuts are still on here getting their panties in a bind over this stuff. I can''t wait until ga*y marriage becomes legal in Utah. I gotta see the look on their faces then.

[susanhelit]

Many of our founding fathers were religious - and those that were not knew enough about PR to put their arguments in religious terms to communicate. But they also wrote a Constitution without religion in it, ensured religous freedom. The Treaty of Tripoli - right there - they stated conclusively that our nation was not founded, in any sense, on the Bible. The Senate unanimously approved that statement, the President signed it.

Our laws are based on standards of justice, ideals, and practical compromises to allow all of us to live together. Our laws are not based on the Bible - any more than the bible is based on the pagan religions that preceeded it - even though the bible uses many concepts, laws, and ideals from a multitude of pagan religions.

And - yeah, even a supreme court justice can get that wrong - just like the justices who ruled racist laws just were wrong back then.

[dmhphils]

"God who gave us life and liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Thomas Jefferson 1781
Listen up Sgt...Susanhelit....you might learn something.

[dmhphils]

"It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge to Providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and to humbly implore His protection and favor."

George Washington October 3, 1789 Proclaiming a National Day of Prayer and Thanksgiving

It''''s worth repeating....it just obliterates the argument of athiests on every level and leaves them speechless.


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Posted by noseonurface at 01:14 AM : May 30, 2008

This is from the mouth of THE FOUNDING FATHER!

[dmhphils]

"It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge to Providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and to humbly implore His protection and favor."

George Washington October 3, 1789 Proclaiming a National Day of Prayer and Thanksgiving

It''s worth repeating....it just obliterates the argument of athiests on every level and leaves them speechless.

[dmhphils]

"If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instructions and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity."

Daniel Webster 1821

This is good, sound, reasoning in the face of debased thinking without a shred of God''s enlightenment. Bravo! Mr. Webster