Comments on: Court: Texas Had No Right Taking Sect Kids

"Insufficient" Grounds For Seizing Children From Polygamous Sect, Appeals Court Rules

[apprxam]

That''s right, Third Court of Appeals, give ''em right back to the lions.

[truthalways]

Darnedsock

you said that FDS break the law by committing polygamy and yet there are laws that allow you to marry and divorce as many times as you can...you can have 30 wives if you go through 30 divorces and remarriages..there are lots of men and women who cohabitate with many other men and women as well..may 100 times...Hollywood promotes it....so lets jail all of them, coz'' they practice polygamy in disguise...

if *** can marry in CA, why polygamy is so horrible to you?! laws should be equal and apply to everyone , not based on religious hatred...

[cozzicon]

"AND....THEY ARE ALL STILL BREAKING THE LAW, BECAUSE POLYGAMY IS NOT LEGAL."-- Posted by darnedsocks

Can''''t have it both ways. Either the state can outlaw religious based group marriage (an infringement of religious rights), outlaw polyamorous relationships (an abridgment of free association, and an illegal infringement of personal sovereignty) or simply get out of morality business.

Yea... I believe responsible adults have the right to choose what kind of relationship they want to be in. If polygamy is agreed upon by the parties involved the state has no say. This is liberty.

But like all alternative lifestyles- the religious right screams "pedophilia", "abuse", and "marriage rights" to bully their views on others.

Of course, child abuse is almost never involved in any of these cases. The rate of abuse in alternative lifestyles is about the same as in more traditional relationships (Please- research it).

So is it illegal? By the measure of what makes us Americans it shouldn''''t be. It''''s like saying a corporation can only have two stock holders.

[rev_hellhorn]

Looks like cpaide gets really angry when you call him pig. - Posted by dragonwagon5

A review of cpaide''s postings makes it very clear that this person is more than a little mentally challenged.

This leaves me wondering why his caretakers ( as in whoever dresses him in the morning, makes sure he gets to the short bus on time, and so on ) allow him so much unsupervised time at the computer.

[memerider]

We all know that polygamy is against the law, and we know that lawbreakers take great care to hide and workaround laws so they cannot be detected. Many smart criminals do this.

What''s sad is that ordinary citizens are routinely arrested and convicted of crimes that shouldn''t even be crimes because it''s always based on available evidence--even if it''s only circumstantial.

This is a special situation: The women themselves have been so thoroughly indoctrinated that they collude with with their totalitarian "prophet" and male abusers.

This isn''t just "religion." This is an entire cultural group brainwashed to forego their freedom and liberty out of fear.

Very clever to make it impossible to determine who''s who and had they not grabbed the records, I''m sure they would have been moved to another location.

We know at least some of these children were locked in closets without food for days as punishment. If that''s not abuse worthy of being removed from a home, I don''t know what is.

I agree this is about the secretiveness and money.

[tibu987]

These mothers should be reunited with their children as soon as possible.

The government had no right to displace these people.
If, in fact, there are specific charges to be filed, file them against the wrongdoers and let the others return to their lives with their children.

[red1530]

Agreed

[rudy654-2009]

Posted by moonshadow22 at 08:52 PM

You are a great voice of reason. Thank goodness there are still logical people around. I took a while before commenting to understand the charges these people faced. But when I saw what was really happening I had to also comment that due process had not been followed. Then all of the religious kooks (because I consider the evangelicals to be just as strange as this group) started calling me a tool for the devil and all kinds of krap. This is the same mentality that drove thousands in Europe to massacre Jews in city after city.

[nearl4511]

Given the phone calls of someone purporting to be in danger, I don''t know what one could have expected law enforcement to do.

All the children may have been somewhat excessive, but how do you enforce the law over such a secretive society.

[milesbrown49]

To all the judges on the comment borad. Remember that by your standards you can be judged too!!

[milesbrown49]

For the first time since this began, I am proud to be an American.

Miles Brown

[rhs648]

just because a place looks neat and clean doesn''''t mean that it isn''''t perverse to the repulsive core.

Posted by hermit22

True, but there has to be evidence and the state has to obey the law and follow proper procedures, too. The appeals court felt that all of the above is missing. Accusations alone are not enough to find anyone guilty. There has to be proof. This is what protects all of us from unfounded accusations.

[ms38654ob]

Sure, we know they are all freaks, but does that give the government any right to take away their kids?

Looks like a good call. The problem is in letting some non-elected agency official decide what is "decent" and what isn''t without a judge being involved.

[moonshadow22]

These people are being prejudged simply by calling them a "polygamist sect". No charges of bigamy have been filed or reported. Texas law enforcement and CPS officials responded to a group of people with very different religious beliefs and practices than the so-called "norm" with fear. The FLDS''s members wish for privacy was seen as "secretive".

These circumstances combined with innuendo, rumor, and peoples own insecurity created a perceived threat that was responded with a lynch mob attitude....We''ll get them, we''ll get them all!

What ever happened to the presumption of innocence? I have no problem with pursuing individual allegations of abuse and stopping the abuser from EVER abusing again, but there is a process for that. So far it appears that the alleged abuse was not nearly as widespread in the compound as initially insinuated and I feel that Texas authorities over reacted greatly.

To accuse a person of child abuse is a very serious charge, and to recklessly accuse hundreds of people with that behavior based on an unconfirmed, anonymous, and now suspect tip, coupled with rumor and fear is simply irresponsible. To wrench 464 children from their homes and seperate them from their homes and families for weeks or months...possibly forever is criminal!!!

[moonshadow22]

These people are being prejudged simply by calling them a "polygamist sect". No charges of bigamy have been filed or reported. Texas law enforcement and CPS officials responded to a group of people with very different religious beliefs and practices than the so-called "norm" with fear. The FLDS''s members wish for privacy was seen as "secretive".

These circumstances combined with innuendo, rumor, and peoples own insecurity created a perceived threat that was responded with a lynch mob attitude....We''ll get them, we''ll get them all!

What ever happened to the presumption of innocence? I have no problem with pursuing individual allegations of abuse and stopping the abuser from EVER abusing again, but there is a process for that. So far it appears that the alleged abuse was not nearly as widespread in the compound as initially insinuated and I feel that Texas authorities over reacted greatly.

To accuse a person of child abuse is a very serious charge, and to recklessly accuse hundreds of people with that behavior based on an unconfirmed, anonymous, and now suspect tip, coupled with rumor and fear is simply irresponsible. To wrench 464 children from their homes and seperate them from their homes and families for weeks or months...possibly forever is criminal!!!

[donbl1]

Actually, Texas has the authority to secede but Florida does not.

BTW, Texas unemployment is 4.1% and added jobs last month.

Also, home prices are still rising here.

[rushlimpdrug]

These men are sick, and are not hearing from God.. but from another source. The women who live with them are just as way out there too. It is their own abuse going on there, which is sad, and the courts should but out. Mormans=Morons with no brains what so ever.
Posted by cactuscat2 at 07:50 PM


Ooops, thought you were talking about the good
religious people that tell their followers
to blow themselves taking innocent lives with them
so the follower can get "blown" by all them
virginns in God''s great heaven.

[donbl1]

Fields, we also vote on judges here and they will all be remembered and gone in the next election.

[bozworth4]

While alllllllllll you folks rant about how you understand your bible. Look at the facts. You would have me and all others believe a virgin birth happened? Spirits come from the sky telling wise men where to find this dude? And a star will lead them? I think I,ve read enough. Now let me see if I can figure out what to believe. OOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPSSSSS!!!
None of the above. Not to even mention water walking, blind healing, the list goes on and on. By the way how old was this virgin when she gave birth? Or is that what joe had to tell the neighbors? Have fun with this!!

[cactuscat2]

So let them believe the Way to Heaven is to have many wifes and brainwash the women who live there that it is ok to let their young daughters go ahead and have *** with a older males, have babies in the group. They use God to their own selfish wants and twisted beliefs. In a way leave them be, let them grow up the way they want to. These men are sick, and are not hearing from God.. but from another source. The women who live with them are just as way out there too. It is their own abuse going on there, which is sad, and the courts should but out. Mormans=Morons with no brains what so ever.