Comments on: Polygamy Custody Hearings Reveal Errors

Officials: Number Of Underage Mothers Was Overreported, Hurting Widespread Abuse Claims

[markcfl1]

yongamerica

True, not a godly act. Mr. Barlow did have some nice things to say about his ex-wife.

In other developments Tuesday, a former FLDS member who said he had been "excommunicated" by the group traveled more than 1,000 miles to Texas so he could support Esther Barlow, his former "spiritual wife," in her legal quest to get the couple''s five children returned to her.

"I can honestly say there''s not a better mother than Esther," said Barlow, who split from her four years ago and now lives with another wife and their 12 children in Utah.

Barlow also told the judge that if the state doesn''t return the children to his ex-wife, he was willing to move his current family to Texas to take care of them.

[yongamerica]

raskal_2 - well spoken

[yongamerica]

"If we can establish I''m not guilty of those things, why can''t I have my children?" asked Arthur Barlow, 59, after driving from southern Utah to seek custody of five of his children, who lived at the Yearning For Zion ranch in Eldorado.

Here is a man whose children were literally taken away from him by the FLDS church. Hardly a godly act is it?

[emelder]

to: smiley676

Thank you for such a thoughtful response. Too much baiting in this blog, but I enjoy the CBS news site and enjoy watching CBS evening news. gotta go ... best wishes.

[gopsoccermom]

dragonwagon5, oh thats different.

[raskal_2]

The Latter Day Saint''s, it has been rumored by some, exist for the sole purpose of reminding the Christians how the Jewish feel (i.e.,adding books to the bible) But seriously, a true understanding of all this was written long before any religion of the modern age even existed,

When God(TAO) is lost , there is goodness
When goodness is lost, there is morality
When morality is lost there is ritual,
Ritual is the mere husk of true faith,
and the beginning of Chaos. (tao, verse38)

Here is Texas trying to find morality and goodness in the ritualistic ways of a religion lost to Chaos. I don''t think much can be said for any of the players in a religious sort of way. (It is all bad.)

[smiley676]

emelder
I''m not saying this isn''t a terrible situation. But this isn''t a federal matter, it is a state matter. And the state court has the power to deal with the situation first. That is how the Constitution is set up. Don''t be so quick to give up the state''s rights. It might seem like a good idea in this one limited situation, but overall it is a bad idea. And the Federal government has been given more and more of the state''s and the people''s rights recently.

If you have an issue with what is happening, go to Texas, write to Texas Senators and the Texas Court. Let justice do its job.

[gopsoccermom]

dragonwagon5, now I see what the others are talking about. Burkas on those nice young women in prarie dresses. Now you are trying to turn them into terrorists.

[emelder]

re: Posted by smiley676 at 02:13 PM

Once again, I''m sure you''re right. But I want some powerful people in Washington to get onto this blatant case of judicial abuse by Texas authorities. I don''t want this story to die down. I want to see the children and their parents afforded due process as guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. I stand with the parents in this matter, and with the children''s right to remain with their parents (or another relative until this thing sorts out legally). Foster care is often a nightmare experience for kids!

[smiley676]

OK ... you''''re right. But it doesn''''t hurt for U.S. Senators to request a review of the actions by the U.S. Supreme Court. Texas courts are moving very slow in this matter, while young children have been pulled from their parents. Their emotional safety demands speed by the courts. I wonder if the good ''''ole boy network is in place in Texas. How about if Civil Rights progress had been left to Mississippi or Alabama???


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Posted by emelder

What is the point of Senators requesting a review, when they have no authority to request such a review and the Court CANNOT review the actions without someone directly involved bringing the case? There is no point, nothing can be done by Senators asking the Court to review the situation and the Senators won''t make such a request because they know they have no authority.

Your argument is totally flawed. The Civil Rights changes came about through a new law, pushed by a President. If you want to change the law Senators can do that. But they can''t tell/ask the Supreme Court to review state actions.

[markcfl1]

Everyone

Please refrain from replying to dragonwagon5''s trash talk. He has nothing worthy of debating, and seems to relish direct confrontation.

[emelder]

re: Posted by smiley676 at 02:04 PM

OK ... you''re right. But it doesn''t hurt for U.S. Senators to request a review of the actions by the U.S. Supreme Court. Texas courts are moving very slow in this matter, while young children have been pulled from their parents. Their emotional safety demands speed by the courts. I wonder if the good ''ole boy network is in place in Texas. How about if Civil Rights progress had been left to Mississippi or Alabama???

[smiley676]

Just this afternoon, I emailed both of my U.S. Senators (PA) ... asking them to request that the U.S. Supreme Court review the actions of Texas authorities. Will any other bloggers join me in this effort? I''''''''m told that if a U.S. Senator gets just 12-15 emails or letters on a topic, they consider it a hot topic ... and they assign a staff member to the issue. Let''''''''s raise a ruckus over the disregard of basic due process of law (toward both children and parents) by Texas authorities.


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Posted by emelder

The Senate does not have the power to ask the Supreme Court to review activities. The only way to get to the Supreme Court is to bring your own personal case before the Court.

[gopsoccermom]

dragonwagon5, yes they can go back wearing nice decent clothing like those prarie dresses. Young women look so much better in them than those low rider jeans and tubing tops.

[smiley676]

with the Supreme Court heavy with Bush appointees, what have you got to lose if they review the actions of Texas authorities. I''''m just saying the Texas officials violated the due process clause of the U.S. Constitution ... that one protects us all. Let all ask our U.S. Senators to request a review by the Court.


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Posted by emelder

You appear to be confused. There are only 2 Bush appointees on the Supreme Court. It actually remains a liberal Court (as can be seen by the recent opinions in Raich, Kelo, etc.).

Constitutional rights were not necessarily violated in this case, but the Supreme Court has not right to review it, until a final decision is made by the highest level state court. The state court may itself find that Constitutional rights were violated. Let the system work first.

[emelder]

Just this afternoon, I emailed both of my U.S. Senators (PA) ... asking them to request that the U.S. Supreme Court review the actions of Texas authorities. Will any other bloggers join me in this effort? I''''m told that if a U.S. Senator gets just 12-15 emails or letters on a topic, they consider it a hot topic ... and they assign a staff member to the issue. Let''''s raise a ruckus over the disregard of basic due process of law (toward both children and parents) by Texas authorities.

[emelder]

re: Posted by dragonwagon5 at 01:55 PM

You mock me. But I have no problem with Texas authorities going after lawbreakers ... they should! I have a problem with how they did it ... by literally invading the compound, by the indiscriminate rounding up of ALL children, by the neglecting due process of law with regard to the rights of parents and children alike. Wait until this one day sorts out, and your comments will be seen in a different light entirely.

[gopsoccermom]

I hope they return the children soon so they can get back to their normal lives.

[emelder]

re: Posted by ttinsly at 01:49 PM

I wholeheartedly agree that ANTONE who has broken Texas or Federal law should be prosecuted ... that''s not the problem. The problem is the incredible disregard of due process and the seizure of all those children ... again, without due process afforded to each and every parent and child. The protection of the U.S. constitution must be there for all of us, or it''s there for none of us. History will mock the way Texas officials handled this problem.

[jo1370]

SAN ANGELO, Texas A lawyer for a 14-year-old girl that is on a list of so-called "disputed minors" said this morning she is not pregnant as Texas child welfare authorities have alleged.
"My client does not have children. (She) is not pregnant. She''''s the youngest on the list of disputed minors," said Andrea Slone .................This is the 14 yr old that CPS said was pregnant..from the very beginning when they took the children away ...this was suppose to be the reason why..in the three days that these hearings have started...they have found 9 girls over 18...20 still undecided being checked for their ages....and now they are lying about them being pregnant at all....says alot for the CPS system...