Comments on: Sect Parents Decry Vague Custody Plans

FLDS Claims Religious Persecution; Says "There's No Clear Answer" To Getting Children Back

[husein_pasha]

My son graduated from high school yesterday

[husein_pasha]

Their right are to be out of this sect!

[homespunlady]

BeStillandno,

If some as far as we know IMAGINARY (and blown out of proportion by dirty minds parading as "righteous")scenario is the problem - WHY NOT FIND OUT FIRST the take appropriate action?

RAPE BED in the church - PROVEN FALSE

16 year old GIRL with 2 Kids CALLING for help - PROVEN FALSE

The ACCUSED MAN - NOT EVEN in the STATE for YEARS - PROVEN FALSE.

The "TAKE EM ALL AND LET GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRATS SORT THEM OUT YEARS FROM NOW" style ARMED raid?
PROVEN ON TAPE and ALL the subsequent back page SLOW ADMISSIONS from the PERPETRATORS of this FIASCO.

This WAS AMERICA - home of INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY - NOT ANYMORE.

[l04620048]

Ther right to be with there parents.

[husein_pasha]

The problem is trhat many of these girls don`t understand their poor quality of life and lack of rights

[markcfl1]

Once again yongamerica knows everything as fact, but what is cleaver???

[l04620048]

Be Stillandno
No I don''t,but at the same time do you all 600 hundred children were abused.I believe there are bad people out there and it is proven fact.The CPS should have handle this better.If there were children that were abused,pull them away from the abuse and punish the accused,but do not punish the Inoocent.There are families that are as startlied as you and I.

[yongamerica]

Considering these parents have done everything they could to cause deception and confusion in this case, their level of cooperation is inversely proportionate to the length this mess can get sorted out.

Oh they are soooo cleaver.

[bestillandno]

homespunlady,

I think I fully understand some of your points about government interference and CPS getting carried away, but do you honestly think that young girls were not forced into marriages and s e x with older men? If you actually think that was not going on here, you are naive. Do you think that these girls actually wanted these men climbing on top of them?

[homespunlady]

The "girl in question" seems to be a 33 Year old (black/Latino by the looks of it) WOMAN with a HISTORY of FALSE ABUSE claims in COLORADO SPRINGS, COLORADO. (home of TED HAGGARD''s OLD EVANGELICAL CHURCH).

The PHONE that was used to make those calls was TRACED BACK TO HER and she''''s being prosecuted for FALSE CLAIMS in that state concerning a supposed father that supposedly locked her in the basement and abused her.

The CONNECTION seems to be that she attempted such a call to a DENVER shelter run by a FEMALE "former member" of that group (apparently there are PLENTY of FEMALE "former members" - contrary to the propaganda that they "can''t escape").

AFTER that set of calls she somehow acquired ALL the INFORMATION to contact the Texas people.

What a COINCIDENCE.

[markcfl1]

Finally, some sanity in the comment zone from the most recent contributors.

I am not a mother, but I guess if I married another male I could adopt a child and act like one, instead I am the married father of four children. I do, however, know this- there is nothing more sacred in any religion or lack of, than the bond between mother and child. Put aside the religious beliefs for a moment and return the children to their mothers. Stop treating these children like puppies that are taken from their mothers and distributed throughout Texas. Heck, puppies probably have more rights. If the fathers have committed child abuse, charge them as such and allow them a defense. If this ends in forced education for these mothers, Texas will have spent more taxpayer money than hiring Dr. Phil to personally counsel each one.

[husein_pasha]

The worst is that the girls don`t understand that they may be free

[homespunlady]

The rape ranchers want their livestock back.
Posted by dragonwagon5 at 01:21 PM : May 20, 2008

WHICH ones?

BIG government CPS?

BIG corporate FARMS of "BOYS ranches" and "Girl''s Ranches" that have been "tattled on" by the "victims" for FLYING the kids around the country to "service" elite perverts?

Or just the WELL PAYING "infertile" that have been CUT OFF by the FOREIGN countries from PURCHASING their "ACCESSORY KIDS" and need a talk show moneymaker?

[l04620048]

I thought you were Innocent until proven Guilty.

[pnut2010]

Well said Sunsetmom3,

These people should have a right to be left alone, practicing their religion in whatever manner they choose. Government intervention is only appropriate when a practice is against the established law. This WAS appropriate in the case of their leader Jeff''s who facilitated incest and rape, but it does not justify punishing those who are innocent. Most people find their practices abnormal, but it is no reason to punish them unless they have broken the law.

The Texas government has a huge problem on their hands, mostly because they have not been able to make any specific accusations, and the only evidence of wrongdoing came in the form of an anonymous phone call. On top of this they have handled their treatment of these people poorly, including taking away a religious text. This is something that is not denied anyone convicted of a crime, let alone those who are not formally charged with anything. There is clear religious persecution from the government here.

[husein_pasha]

The poor children!

[l04620048]

The right thing to do is find the families and put them in the same city with visitation rights given to the parents.Visitation rights should be monitored.
Untill all can be cleared.This should be paid by the CPS services.Sometimes I think CPS does this so the CPS service will keep its Allowed Yearly Guaranteed Money by the Government for it services.

[brianp55]

The Stepford Wives.

[homespunlady]

So, as they "discovered" that in at least "4 cases" the DESPERATE mothers agreed to say they were "Underage" in order to STAY WITH THEIR KIDS even though they might be found out and TORN FROM their kids - and WORSE - like ALL THE OTHER MOTHERS had been subjected to.....

WHAT did they do to the MOTHERS that UNDER DURESS - lied?

Rip the kids away? TOSS THE MOTHER OUT? Prosecute for false a statement?

Funny they DON''T mention THAT.

Personally, if I was in that situation and the choice was having my babies TORN FROM me - I''d do the SAME THING!

[sunsetmom3]

No matter how odd these people and their religion may seem to some of us, taking all these children from their parents with no real proof of any abuse is just horrible.

Because they may practice polygamy - is that the reason their kids were taken? So, should the govt step up and take kids away from parents who are unmarried but have multiple *** partners? Should the govt automatically take all babies away from teen mothers or girls who get pregnant by older men?

The Texas govt was wrong and we should all be concerned about their actions. No child should ever be taken from their parents and put in foster care if it can be avoided. I am a mother of 3 and I cannot imagine the govt deciding they don''t like my religion so they decide they can take my kids away from me. It would scar my children for life.