Comments on: 5 Young People Found Dead In Chicago

City's Violent Spring Continues As Bodies Are Discovered In Ransacked House

[whatithink-2009]

USBrit,

Thanks.

I know, if it doesn''t involve severely punishing somebody the compassionate conservative doesn''t want to hear about it.

[usbrit-2009]

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Posted by whatithink

A great start. Unfortunately a couple of your points, especially #3 have been tried, found to succeed and then had the funding cut because they''re "social programs." You know what the word social does to the right wing mind.

[whatithink-2009]

louiville2,

You asked before, how do you fix the problem. I''m not sure this will fix the problem but it will probably help. I''ve seen it help.

1.) Present children who live in poorer neighborhoods with positive role models from an early age.
2.) Help parents parent better.
3.) Provide afterschool activities and quality daycare, so you can cut down on the number of latchkey children. Children are notorious for making bad decisions and without adult supervision, many do.
4.) Volunteer, especially if you are man, to mentor young boys who may be growing up without a father figure. Big Brother/Big Sister is always looking for people.
5.) Improve the schools. Children are graduating without bieng able to read or write. This is an outrage!
6.) Move our OWN culture a bit away from materialism and instant gratification. Get the nation to start getting out of debt and saving more. Materialism is a big problem in inner city neighborhoods.
7.) Get some of the inner city children out into nature a bit. Many of the kids have never been out of the city.
8.) If the kid is not going to college, learn a trade. Most of the better-paying jobs that many in the inner cities would have taken have moved to China or India (like what has happened in Detroit). People who have something to lose are less likely to risk it.

[whatithink-2009]

louiville2,

You trivialize something that shouldn''t be trivialized. The effects of slavery and jim crow and black codes have lead to a good portion of people hating themselves. A man who hates himself is either dangerous to himself or someone else. The effects of slavery have also lead the general population to view issues involving black Americans as their problem and not our problem. Anorexia is primarily killing white girls, but it has always been viewed as OUR problem affecting OUR children. You can not go forward, if you fail to look back.

[whatithink-2009]

" having guns anywhere could turn a trivial event into a deadly one.
ElCantante1"

So true! It''s like the broken window theory. A neighborhood can start off with something as trivial as one broken window, but this one trivial things can lead to complete chaos if you do not fix the one window.

[louiville2]

kemetorigin-Slavery is always the trump card that''s played when you box someone in an argument like a go free card. It''s like a favorite red herring let''s change the subject card rather then air dirty laundry. So down that road we go not solving a thing because we can''t go back and can only go forward.

[whatithink-2009]

wlmrtpatriot,

Actually I wasn''t sure about Duke and found out it was created after slavery ended (1892).

These are some of the schools that recently apologized for using slave labor:

- University of Virginia
- University of Alabama
- Brown University ** not in the south

Again, these are just three that actually acknowledged using slave labor. I would imagine many other older universities did as well.

[wlmrtpatriot]

whatithink: Is there a record that states that Duke was built by slave labor? I know that there was chinese labor used to build railroads throughout the old west. A lot of the early settlers of this country came as indentured servants, they owed money. Illegal immigration is to me a kind of slavery. These people work for low wages, no health care, no benefits of any kind. The world never changes, the rich get richer..that''s it.

[sblake63]

" It''''''''s the PEOPLE who need fixing !
Posted by sblake63 "


And you are one of those people. God help you.


Posted by whatithink at 01:04 PM : Apr 24, 2008
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He already has LMAO. I got out of that nutjob city many years ago (Chicago). At least down here you don''t have to worry about getting your head blown off by some crack head who''s defended by people like you LOL! I lived there, so I am not just posting blind sighted opinions on some blog. People paying 1000-2000 dollars a month for apartments to freeze their *** off 8 months year, high taxes, high crime and gun rights stripped away.. Why??

And if by any chance I did have to deal with one, it''s LEGAL to own a gun and blow the thug away, unlike Chicago where you cant own one and he police are ineffective at protecting anyone!

For the last time it''s not slavery, past and present GOP policies, economic injustice that''s causing this crime wave. It''s pure human trash with no sense of right and wrong. If they cant reform themselves, send them back to their maker!

Glad to live in San Antonio !

[kemetorigin]

You must also consider what defined a negro or black at that time. There were octaroons, quadroons, etc. especially in New Orleans where the balls for these biracial individuals were popular in pairing the women as mistresses to white slave owners. Most of the "black" slave holders were comprised of Octaroons & Quadroons who considered themselves much more white than black and superior to the negro.

At any rate, how did the topic get here? Just thought I''d give some background/accurate history to the statistic shared. Either way, it does not make the institution of slavery right.

[louiville2]

whatithink- the point is we can point fingers and play the blame game all day long and won''t solve the problem at hand which is how do we get Black kids from killing other black kids. We can talk about gun control but even if guns had never existed they would still find ways to kill each other. A two ton car does an excellent job and killing people, hijacking a gas tanker would too. Most gun deaths are suicides do you think these people would not find another way?

[whatithink-2009]

It''s funny that you bring up Duke University because most of the older schools in the south were built using slave labor.

[whatithink-2009]

louiville2,

The foundation of the U.S. economy was built on slavery for a very long time. You did not need to own a slave to have benefitted from slave labor. Cotton was the most important crop in the nation there was much indirect work associated with this product that was only made possible through slave labor.

I have no idea where those statistics came from. I do know that most blacks are killed by blacks and most whites are killed by whites.

[louiville2]

Compiled from an 1860 census. But why let the truth get in way of a good story.

"The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves (1). Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).
According to federal census reports, on June 1, 1860 there were nearly 4.5 million Negroes in the United States, with fewer than four million of them living in the southern slaveholding states. Of the blacks residing in the South, 261,988 were not slaves. Of this number, 10,689 lived in New Orleans. The country''s leading African American historian, Duke University professor John Hope Franklin, records that in New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.

To return to the census figures quoted above, this 28 percent is certainly impressive when compared to less than 1.4 percent of all American whites and less than 4.8 percent of southern whites. The statistics show that, when free, blacks disproportionately became slave masters."

98.5% of whites WERE not slave owners.

[louiville2]

whatithink-Those statistics are for just one year, their were more then 2,000,000 B/W crimes in a typical year 80-90% are B/W crimes. Do you know how many lynchings I don''t know last one I heard about was in the early 60''s on the news.

[whatithink-2009]

USBrit,

Just the fact that he thinks he can use FBI statistics over the last 200 years to get an accurate picture of anything. Does he even know the first person ever charged with slavery was a black man who went across state lines with a white woman (consensual)? If you went by FBI statistics, slavery only started with this guy.

[usbrit-2009]

whatithink-I don''''t think you really want to go down that road of who is more violent to who (B/W or W/B)over the last 200 years do you do you i.e. there were about 22,000 B/W rapes compaired with about 100 W/B rapes reported by the FBI. Let alone murders etc...

Posted by louiville2

And how many W/B vs B/W lynchings were there in the same period.

[louiville2]

whatithink-I don''t think you really want to go down that road of who is more violent to who (B/W or W/B)over the last 200 years do you do you i.e. there were about 22,000 B/W rapes compaired with about 100 W/B rapes reported by the FBI. Let alone murders etc...

[whatithink-2009]

louiville2,

I never have assumed that all whites were rich. It is many racists here who associate welfare with black and Reagan during the 1980s promoted this. I know it is not. I do know that many poor whites have preferred to align themselves with their race over their class. Poor whites have sometimes been the most racist because race mattered to them more than it did even to rich whites.

You can blame who you want. The blame goes in many directions. And, I don''t say some of the blame is not directly in the communities. It is.

[kennedy7955]

There is a long forgotten war still raging to this day - and it is being waged by Americans on themselves on the streets of this country. When will America demand an end to this war?