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You''''re confused again. The fact that I have strong opinions and the fact that I like to point out to you when you are wrong does not for one second mean that I do not respect your right to express your misguided opinions and beliefs. I would be the first to stand up for your right to do so.
BillORights on the other hand supports censoring ideas that he does not agree with. That is fundamentally at odds with the U.S. Constitution, so it''''s really hard to stomach it when Bill wraps himself in the Constitution as we waxes romantic about his love of guns and the Second Amendment.
Posted by Voltaire333 at 04:59 PM : Apr 11, 2008
I''m not as confused as you''d like to think. Notice your wording. "I have strong opinions and like to point out when you''re wrong." To me, that more than insinuates that you do not respect people''s views. Let me remind you that it was you who first engaged me in this little heart to heart discussion to begin with and it was you who has consistantly mis-understood what my post meant in the first place. I think you have been somewhat confused yourself.- Reply to this comment
- Anyone who has no respect at all for the freedom of expression has no leg to stand on when it comes to trying to expand the meaning and rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment - Posted by Voltaire333 at 04:18 PM : Apr 11, 2008
I have every respect for the freedom of expression. For example, I am elated on every occasion that your idiotic ideas appear in one of these forums. Not only does it prove that any fool is free to express any moronic idea that is fermenting between his ears, but in your case, your have provided example upon example of backward thought that will repel thinking people, moving them forward and away from your primitive ideas.
Additionally, the Second Amendment requires no expansion. As a cornerstone of the Constitution, it does exactly what it was intended to do, as evidenced by the documentation the framers generated in the process of crafting the Bill of Rights. Not convinced? Wait for clarification from the Supreme Court in the near future. - Reply to this comment
- OMG, Voltaire, you can''''t possibly expect anyone here to believe for one second that you care about freedom of expression. I guess you do as long as it corresponds with your expression. I guess you do as long as you understand and agree with said expression. I guess you do as long as......
Posted by deemsnyd at 04:44 PM : Apr 11, 2008
You''re confused again. The fact that I have strong opinions and the fact that I like to point out to you when you are wrong does not for one second mean that I do not respect your right to express your misguided opinions and beliefs. I would be the first to stand up for your right to do so.
BillORights on the other hand supports censoring ideas that he does not agree with. That is fundamentally at odds with the U.S. Constitution, so it''s really hard to stomach it when Bill wraps himself in the Constitution as we waxes romantic about his love of guns and the Second Amendment. - Reply to this comment
- Kids are not capable of discerning fact from fiction when they are being indoctrinated by zealots. The practice should be stopped, particularly where kids are coerced into believing by tales of the eternal fires of hell. I once saw a pastor use a lighter to get the point across to kids that hell is HOT! I have no doubt those kids are tithing today like docile and obedient christians. Such practices are barbaric. Your attempt to trivialize religious indoctrination of kids is equally deplorable.
Posted by Voltaire333 at 04:43 PM : Apr 11, 2008
Okay, I finally see what this is about. It''s not about the fact that you will not accept that I was making light of teenagers going against their parents, which I was. It is more about the fact that I teach my children that there is a God and He has a Son, Jesus. Okay. Now that we have that out of the way...I''m sorry I can''t help you on that one other than to tell you that I teach my children about God and his love. I don''t scare them about hell, although they will learn more about it when they are older, since you can''t pick and choose the parts of the bible that you like.
This is where we disagree. You don''t agree with the fact that I believe in God and I impart that belief to my children. Okay, I can live with that. - Reply to this comment
- Sorry, Bill, you have no credibility. Anyone who has no respect at all for the freedom of expression has no leg to stand on when it comes to trying to expand the meaning and rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment. You either respect the constitution or you don''''t, Billy boy, so stop picking and choosing based on your emotional attraction to guns.
Posted by Voltaire333 at 04:18 PM : Apr 11, 2008
OMG, Voltaire, you can''t possibly expect anyone here to believe for one second that you care about freedom of expression. I guess you do as long as it corresponds with your expression. I guess you do as long as you understand and agree with said expression. I guess you do as long as...... - Reply to this comment
- Just because you can''t ascertain what I was talking about doesn''t mean that I owe you further explanation until you get it. Okay?
Posted by deemsnyd
Okay, let''s review what actually happened:
fibonacci wrote:
"The tricky thing is, with chidren - if you take them to church and tell them that Jesus is God etc. - they buy it hook-line-and-sinker. Children dont say "Uh, mom, dad ... I think you are violating my right to develop my own opinion about the world".
Posted by fibonacci_
dimsnyd responded:
"I wish that were true. Trust me, kids do have their own minds when it comes to religion. Mom and Dad are the last people whose beliefs they hold true to. Havn''''t you ever heard about those "wild preacher''''s kids"? :) Posted by deemsnyd
So, you attempted to justify the unethical indoctrination and brainwashing we were discussing by essentially stating, "oh well, it''s okay to lie to children and indoctrinate them because they ''have minds of their own when it comes to religion.''"
Kids are not capable of discerning fact from fiction when they are being indoctrinated by zealots. The practice should be stopped, particularly where kids are coerced into believing by tales of the eternal fires of hell. I once saw a pastor use a lighter to get the point across to kids that hell is HOT! I have no doubt those kids are tithing today like docile and obedient christians. Such practices are barbaric. Your attempt to trivialize religious indoctrination of kids is equally deplorable. - Reply to this comment
- Dear jankebenz-you are correct about the old testament.It was written way before jesus.Have you actually read the old testament?The god portrayed is a nasty,evil,b**tch.When he gets pissed off,he wants to take out everyone.Can you answer this age old question?If Adam and Eve brought forth Cain and Able, how did the rest of mankind get here?If you buy the *** in the bible,we are all products of incest,therefore justifying the Texan fundamentalist mormoms''''logic and reasoning.You are just as guilty.
"Liberty of thought is the life of the soul."
Posted by licecramal at 03:38 PM : Apr 11, 2008
Actualy God is very loving and kind to all who recognize and revere him. In the OT God did pour his wrath upon those that opposed him or the Israelites, but in the NT Jesus paid the price of our sins, and judgement will come when he returns.As to how more people came about after Adams family,I can''t answer that, the bible does''nt say.Some speculate that God created more men and women after the fall.Yes ,incest is wrong and a sin - Reply to this comment
- I certainly hope you will not let the outdated concepts of constitutional rights and law stand in your way. Keep up the good work, Stalin!
Posted by BillORights at 02:19 PM : Apr 11, 2008
Sorry, Bill, you have no credibility. Anyone who has no respect at all for the freedom of expression has no leg to stand on when it comes to trying to expand the meaning and rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment. You either respect the constitution or you don''t, Billy boy, so stop picking and choosing based on your emotional attraction to guns. - Reply to this comment
- No "otherwise" about it. We are simply DONE.
Posted by deemsnyd at 12:47 PM : Apr 11, 2008
Oh, alright, if I knew you were going to take your marbles and go home (oh, wait, you don''''t have any), I''''d have been slightly less abrasive. If you will kindly explain why it is ethical to use fear to indoctrinate children with a belief in something we have no rational reason to believe is true, I promise not to attack you for it, at least not you personally.
Posted by Voltaire333 at 02:07 PM : Apr 11, 2008
I''ve already explained this to you. This time I''ll take it more s l o w l y.
Here we go, ready? The post of mine that you commented on, (and by the way, it was more like some sort of fit you were having)was taken out of context. I was talking with someone else and he stated that most children adopt the religion of their parents, to which I responded, "not always, kids have a mind of their own (teenagers) and go against their parents all the time. I was not speaking directly about this article. I guess you thought that I was talking about the poor children in the article and insinuating that they have minds of their own. I don''t know what the heck you got your panties in a wad about, but you clearly misunderstood what my post meant. Do you know how I know? Because I wrote it and I know what I meant. Just because you can''t ascertain what I was talking about doesn''t mean that I owe you further explanation until you get it. Okay?
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- Hey Bill O Rights-I bet you''re a card carrying member of the NRA.Sorry to hear about Charlton Heston-NOT.Have you ever traveled outside the USA?Most of the world think we walk around with AK47''s strapped on our backs.The 2nd amendment is outdated from when it''s original context was relevant. - Posted by licecramal at 03:14 PM : Apr 11, 2008
Actually, I need to renew my membership. Thanks for the reminder!
Yes, I have travelled outside the USA, extensively, as well as within. You may be surprised to find that the %u201Cworld%u201D to which you are referring is mainly the small one in which you live. With limited intake of information comes limited knowledge, as you so well exhibit.
The Second Amendment is just as relevant today as it was the day it was written. You have a few more surprises headed your way, it seems. Watch the Supreme Court.
If you think the Constitution needs a few alterations, there is a process. Keep in mind that a few hundred million Americans may not agree with you. - Reply to this comment
