Comments on: Forced Sex Alleged At Compound Temple

Young Girls In Polygamist Sect Required To Have Sex In White Temple, Court Documents Say

[billorights]

I will try to respect your belief in Christianity. However, I cannot respect anyone''s decision to indoctrinate a child with such a belief - Posted by Voltaire333 at 05:59 PM : Apr 11, 2008

Let%u2019s try to approach this one civilly. There are many Christians who believe, through faith, that their beliefs are the absolute truth, and these beliefs are held to the depths of their soul. To them, these are not merely opinions, but absolute fact, including the parts that even they cannot comprehend. While you may justifiably find it annoying when someone comes to your door to save your soul, for most of these people, they are truly trying to help you. Given all of this, how would you think it remotely possible for these people to withhold something they believe to be so vital from their own children?

[voltaire333]

and to treat others as they would like to be treated. Nothing more than that needs to be instilled in a child. Posted by Voltaire333 at 05:59 PM : Apr 11, 2008

Come to think of it, had Bill been taught that value as a child, he wouldn''t be struggling so much now to get along with others. Bill, have you ever heard of the book, "Everything I Need To know, I Learned In Kindergarten?" I''ve not read it, but something tells me you might benefit from it. :-)

[voltaire333]

This is not an attempt to indoctrinate but rather a request that you consider actually respecting views that differ from your own and not merely the right to express them.
Posted by deemsnyd at 05:48 PM : Apr 11, 2008

Okay, you make some valid points. I will try to respect your belief in Christianity. However, I cannot respect anyone''s decision to indoctrinate a child with such a belief. Children should be told that there are lots of beliefs out there, that some are more credible than others, and that some day when they are old enough, they will have to make up their own mind about what it is they believe, but until then, their only job is to laugh, play, and to treat others as they would like to be treated. Nothing more than that needs to be instilled in a child. They can figure out the rest at their own pace.

[billorights]

Bill, I must say how flattered I am by your ridiculous attempts to discredit me. - Posted by Voltaire333 at 05:45 PM : Apr 11, 2008

You have not needed any help from me. The credit is all yours.

[billorights]

Ahh...but had I only known this sooner...
Dang it, Bill, I''''ve wasted 2 days on him. :) - Posted by deemsnyd at 05:34 PM : Apr 11, 2008

I know how you feel. It is frustrating to reason with someone who cannot.

[deemsnyd]

Posted by Voltaire333 at 05:36 PM : Apr 11, 2008


I agree that it is hard to respect people''s views. It is much easier to settle with respecting their right to express them rather than the view itself. But, personally, I think the former is what we are to strive for even though it may not be possible in all cases, such as this article for example. We can''t possible be expected to respect the views of the men who have s e x with these girls, but I don''t think it unreasonable to respect other less offensive views. For instance, my view of Christianity should be respected by you as long as I''m not part of some insanity like this article has uncovered. And whether you want to believe it or not, most Christians are not like the people in this article. Most are probably not as different from your view of "normal" as you think. This is not an attempt to indoctrinate but rather a request that you consider actually respecting views that differ from your own and not merely the right to express them.

[voltaire333]

If there are any psychiatrists or psychologists reading this forum, please be aware that any advice you can provide to him will be gratefully welcomed by the rest of us.
Posted by BillORights at 05:29 PM : Apr 11, 2008

Bill, I must say how flattered I am by your ridiculous attempts to discredit me. Rather than refute any points I make (I know, I''ve never made one--there, you don''t need to post that barb), all you seem capable of is name-calling. Of course, you wouldn''t take the time to try to discredit me if you didn''t feel so threatened by my arguments. I do wonder what your own psychiatrist has to say about this? Once you confront your real demons (fear of being without gun), you might realize that I''m not the threat to your existence that you seem to think I am, and you might even be able to assilimate with the general population and even engage in intelligent discourse, instead of being holed up in your house with a gun. Now, that would be real progress! I''d give your psychiatrist the Nobel prize if he could get someone like you to stop clinging to his gun!

[voltaire333]

I''m not as confused as you''d like to think. Notice your wording. "I have strong opinions and like to point out when you''re wrong." To me, that more than insinuates that you do not respect people''s views.

Posted by deemsnyd

Well, if you want a truce, as far as personal attacks, that''s fine with me. However, I do not need to respect your views in order to respect your right to express them. There is a difference, and while I do not respect them, I certainly do respect your right to express them.

[deemsnyd]

For those not yet familiar with all aspects of his paranoia, he is referring to his rants in previous forums in which CBS deleted his repetitive and irrelevant posts, and apparently blocked his access, too. For some reason he has convinced himself that I have some superhuman ability to delete his drivel from these forums personally, and by extension of this erroneous assumption, he believes that I am abusing his rights as guaranteed by the First Amendment. If there are any psychiatrists or psychologists reading this forum, please be aware that any advice you can provide to him will be gratefully welcomed by the rest of us.

Posted by BillORights at 05:29 PM : Apr 11, 2008



Ahh...but had I only known this sooner...
Dang it, Bill, I''ve wasted 2 days on him. :)

[billorights]

BillORights on the other hand supports censoring ideas that he does not agree with. - Posted by Voltaire333 at 04:59 PM : Apr 11, 2008

For those not yet familiar with all aspects of his paranoia, he is referring to his rants in previous forums in which CBS deleted his repetitive and irrelevant posts, and apparently blocked his access, too. For some reason he has convinced himself that I have some superhuman ability to delete his drivel from these forums personally, and by extension of this erroneous assumption, he believes that I am abusing his rights as guaranteed by the First Amendment. If there are any psychiatrists or psychologists reading this forum, please be aware that any advice you can provide to him will be gratefully welcomed by the rest of us.