Comments on: US Airways Pilot's Gun Fires In Cockpit

"Accidental Discharge" First Time Shot Fired Under Federal Armed Pilots Program

[gunownerdan]

If there is any gun you have ever come in contact with that you can not account for, you are not a responsible gun owner.
Posted by dragonwagon5

When I go to gun shows, I come in contact with dozens and dozens of guns. When I go to the shooting range often people allow me to shoot their guns. Friends and family members have also let me borrow and shoot
their guns. Since I have come in contact with literally hundreds and hundreds of guns, how on earth could I possibly account for every single one of them?

[flreason]

I''m rarely on the same side as gunownerdan, and I have real problems with pilots armed with guns, but he''s correct that the U.S. isn''t the only country with a gun problem. Check out Columbia, Haiti, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Georgia (Russia), any number of African countries, etc.

[billorights]

if all you gunowners believe in the tyrranical government part, how come George Bush is still president and not a-moulderin'''' in his grave? - Posted by USBrit

I do not recall a refusal to recognize the authority of the ballot by George Bush. Are you one of those cranky Florida voters with dangling chads?

[usbrit-2009]

When faced with a tyrannical government which does not recognize the authority of the ballot, it is the right guaranteed by the Constitution%u2019s Second Amendment which good men can look to for the means to secure their other rights.

Posted by BillORights

Exactly the phrase used by Nic Cage in National Treasure to justify stealing the Declaration from the National Library.

Also if all you gunowners believe in the tyrranical government part, how come George Bush is still president and not a-moulderin'' in his grave?

[okcnfrcr]

In weighing in on gun controversy. This was an unforunate accident and should not have happened. I retired after 28 1/2 yrs of law enforcement and am not a member of NRA. I had my doubts, at first, on the state''s carry conceal law. I will say that the problems with guns don''t lie in the amount of guns out there. It has more to do with people/families recognizing when they have family members in mental health crisis or travelling down the criminal path. A lot of the guns utilized by criminals are either stolen out of houses or cars during burglaries or are bought at guns shows, mainly by citizens selling their guns off the floor or unscrupulous gun dealers. In handling calls with citizens, the good citizens would be shocked at the number of people who don''t think in normal ranges. I myself have no problem with law abiding citizens having the means to protect themselves. Even armed law enforcement officers are finding more criminals being armed and more willing to use the guns during their crimes. We have had several near misses in our city, just since the first of the year of officers being fired at first without any warning on what appeared to be minor incidents.

[billorights]

Do I transport my guns? Yes. In a locked container, as required by law. My children%u2019s effectiveness and safety has been compromised? Effectiveness at what? Safety from what? I was raised in a home in which guns were present. I was never compromised or harmed in any way. On the contrary, I was educated in the safe handling and storage of firearms, in addition to other things, such as the difference between right and wrong. My little shell is far safer than you think, and probably a great deal safer than your own. What five people are laying dead because of a gun owner%u2019s belief in his impenetrable security? If you mean the family murdered in Iowa, the last time I checked a cause of death had not been announced. Why should I account for every gun I ever came into contact with? All of my guns are secured safely. I have friends who own guns who also keep them secured safely. I have seen guns in gun stores, where they are secured safely. I used guns in the Army, which I presume are still secured safely. What is your point?

[billorights]

How about "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"? - Posted by Gliderguy52

This phrase is commonly attributed to the Constitution, but it comes from the Declaration of Independence.

It is later followed by %u201CBut when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security%u201D

When faced with a tyrannical government which does not recognize the authority of the ballot, it is the right guaranteed by the Constitution%u2019s Second Amendment which good men can look to for the means to secure their other rights.

[lochlan-2009]

"He''s only a criminal if he has been successfully prosecuted by a court of law."

Really a criminal is not a criminal while he is commiting a crime? News to me.

"Do you refrain from any sort of mechanical transportation to "defend" yourself from death by accidental means?"

Are you now telling me cars should be banned. Personally, I take precautions, like using my signal, not driving like an ***hole, a little common sense, you know.

"you are putting other law abiding citizens at risk through the chance your weapon is used by you or others in a violent crime."


Are you talking about the gun or the car?
I''ll tell you one thing, 9/11 might have been a little different if some of the couple 100 passengers had guns for the defense of them and others.

[gunownerdan]

I''d rather have the burgler steal my keys than chop off my hand.
Posted by newsjunky5

And I''d rather have the burglar run away because he''s affraid of being shot.

[newsjunky5]

"One gun safe is even operated by your fingerprints."
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I''d rather have the burgler steal my keys than chop off my hand.

[billorights]

Buying a gun is nothing more than putting another lethal weapon into the general public. How that weapon is used depends on circumstances not always determined by the gun owner. Can anyone refute that fact? - Posted by dragonwagon5

Just about anyone can refute that phact.

The guns that I have bought are safely secured in my home, and are not available to the general public. If my children were able to access them, which they are not, they would know not to touch them, because I have taken the time to educate them about guns.

As to whether circumstances can determine how my guns are used, I suppose it is possible that an act of God could prevent me from accessing them in a time of need, but other than that, there is nothing else that would determine how my guns are used.

[gunownerdan]

dragonwagon5,
There are quite a few options available to safely and securely store guns and ammo.
One gun safe is even operated by your fingerprints.
I keep all my guns and ammo locked up when I''m not at home. It would be very difficult for anyone to get to them.

[gliderguy52]

There is no amendment protecting our right to drugs. Killing people IS OK, when it is done in defense from a criminal who wants to kill you.

Posted by lochlan

How about "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"? Many folks use drugs to sustain life. I''m talking prescription drugs here, used to keep people alive and functioning in society. Chemotherapy is just one example.

Killing is not OK (or legal) if the person (you used the word criminal) WANTS to kill you. First off, He''s only a criminal if he has been successfully prosecuted by a court of law. Secondly, WANTING to kill you is not the same as attempting to kill you. Defending yourself when in a position of imminent mortal threat is one thing. However your chance of being put in that position by a person intent on killing you is probably minute compared to the chance of mortal injury through accidental death on or near the highway. Do you refrain from any sort of mechanical transportation to "defend" yourself from death by accidental means? Simply by arming yourself with a firearm, you are putting other law abiding citizens at risk through the chance your weapon is used by you or others in a violent crime.

[lochlan-2009]

I guess since guns are only good for killing things, mine must be defective.

Posted by gunownerdan

Hey mine too. Been carrying for almost 15 years.

[gunownerdan]

tulcak,
I guess since guns are only good for killing things, mine must be defective.

[lochlan-2009]

and I guess a 50 cal is for hunting deer...


Posted by tulcak

50 cal what? Black powder or BMG?

[tulcak]

a hand gun is for hunting?! please! and I guess a 50 cal is for hunting deer...

[lochlan-2009]

"if you point a hand gun at someone and pull the trigger, what is that called "defense"?"

Yes, that is defense, if they are standing in your house with a gun to kill you.

[gunownerdan]

hand guns are used for one purpose only: to kill another human being...
Posted by tulcak

That''s another lie.
Some handguns are designed for hunting. Others for target shooting. Some are designed specifically for self defense. There are many different uses for all kinds of different handguns.

[tulcak]

using a gun is self-defense? bollocks! if you point a hand gun at someone and pull the trigger, what is that called "defense"? defense would be if you regulated guns or carried a hand gun shield around with you. there is no such thing as a defensive weapon regardless of what the military or anyone else says...