Comments on: US Airways Pilot's Gun Fires In Cockpit

"Accidental Discharge" First Time Shot Fired Under Federal Armed Pilots Program

[bigchieftb]

Gun owners think that the way to solve all crime issues is to arm more people. Stupid.
1: If a gun discharges in a plane it did endanger someone, unless there was an effective backstop, and the pilot was in control of the firearm. Obviously he was not in control of the firearm.
2: The pilot doesn''t need a gun. He has the ability to completely incapacitate everyone on the plan that''s not buckled in by executing a few +1.1 to -0.1 G dives/climbs

The pilot''s job is to *FLY THE PLANE*

It would make more sense to arm the stewardesses.

[gunownerdan]

fedupwithit, you certainly can and should use the popular analogy.


"Except spoons don''t have massive new designs for taking out hundreds of people at a time...."
Posted by rudy654

If there is a gun or other weapon out there that is capable of being used for "taking out hundreds of people at a time", you can be sure that it will not be available to the general public!
Even to legally buy a class III machine gun you have to go through a long and expensive licensing process that can take several months and cost hundreds of dollars.

[rudy654-2009]

Guns cause crime like spoons make people fat
Posted by gunownerdan

LOL I like that, mind if i use it in future posts!!!
signed gunownerswhoarefedupwithit
Posted by fedupwithit1 at 05:32 PM

Except spoons don''t have massive new designs for taking out hundreds of people at a time, and most people get fat eating at fast food restaurants where there are no spoons. The analogy doesn''t begin to hold.

[stevencee]

So, the TSA is "not supportive" of this program? I suppose they also don''t support armed sky marshals on board flights either? What a joke. Let''s wait and see how this firing occurred, it''s pretty odd, for the gun shouldn''t be anywhere but in its holster.

I also could never figure out why Bush was also against arming pilots. It''s the obvious "no-brainer" remedy of last resort, a far better alternative to shooting down the whole plane!

[billorights]

Always remember KILL OR BE KILLED just like in the Bible. - Posted by dragonwagon5

Exactly where in the Bible would that be found?

[gunownerdan]

Imagine this:
Every year there is a gun show near my home with 950 8-foot long tables full of guns, swords, cannons, knives, and basically any kind of weapon you can imagine.
I''ve been going for 5 years now and never once has anyone been shot, stabbed, clubbed, or otherwise injured in any way.
A big room full of hundreds of people with many thousands of dangerous weapons laying around all over the place and no one gets harmed.
Imagine that!
There are gun shows full of guns and ammo every week in America and we never hear about any shootings at these shows.
Guns cause crime like spoons make people fat.

[gunownerdan]

Imagine this:
Every year there is a gun show near my home with 950 8-foot long tables full of guns, swords, cannons, knives, and basically any kind of weapon you can imagine.
I''ve been going for 5 years now and never once has anyone been shot, stabbed, clubbed, or otherwise injured in any way.
A big room full of hundreds of people with many thousands of dangerous weapons laying aroudfn all over the place and no one is harmed.
Imagine that!
There are gun shows full of guns and ammo every week in America and we never hear about shootings at these shows.
Guns cause crime like spoons make people fat.

[billorights]

I''m a bit confused Bill. - Posted by dragonwagon5

Now we are making some progress. Let me see if I can help you. Your orginal statement, which you claimed to be fact, is in fact nothing more than a phact. As in, something you wish would be true because you choose to believe it.

I do concede that on occasion, through carelessness, guns do get into the hands of the wrong people. The same can be said of other objects: matches, liquor, car keys, credit cards, etc. None of these things seem to have found their way onto your list of items to be banned. Also, none of these other things are related to a Constitutional right.

[gunownerdan]

dragonwagon5,
Since I invest in antique weapons from WWI and WWII, there is no doubt in my mind that I own or have handled weapons that may have been used to kill or injure people.
Am I affraid that those weapons are going to jump up and attack me or someone else?
Not at all!
Being inanimate objects, guns and other weapons are only as dangerous or deadly as the person who''s holding them.

[billorights]

And by no stretch of the imagination should your patronage of such an event be considered perpetuating the disease. You may have even handled a weapon used in a murder without knowing it. - Posted by dragonwagon5

What event? What disease? Your train of thought has left the tracks. I may have handled a weapon used in a murder? Extremely unlikely. Even if I had%u2026so what? Have you ever had a drink of water that was not at one time in the past in the bladder of some creature? Better go brush your teeth!

[billorights]

Since I have come in contact with literally hundreds and hundreds of guns, how on earth could I possibly account for every single one of them? - Posted by gunownerdan

And by what stretch of the imagination should you ever have to?

[downsteamjim]

To USBrit: You are making progress.

[usbrit-2009]

Check out Columbia, Haiti, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Georgia (Russia), any number of African countries, etc.

Posted by flreason

Let''s face it, the whole world has problems with guns - BTW South Africa is the worst. However, as far as gun enthusiasts are concerned, the US has no problem with guns - the more the merrier!!

[billorights]

He saw the stolen gun in the car and ran the numbers "incorrectly" and let him go. That state trooper took his own life, blaming himself "not the gun" for the mistake that cost 5 lives. - Posted by dragonwagon5

Are you implying that the stolen gun caused the bank robber to kill 5 people? As you stated, this is a tragedy in many ways. Do guns get into the wrong hands because of carelessness? Certainly. Can you prevent every possible tragedy by abridging the rights of everyone? Not likely. Even if you could, the price is too high. The only persons responsible for these deaths are the criminals who conceived and carried out this crime.

[usbrit-2009]

It''''s unfortunate that you didn''''t learn about the great compromise between large and small states. I guess that history should be part of the immigration test.

Posted by downsteamjim

I thought that was why we have 100 senators, not the Electoral College.

[lochlan-2009]

Also if all you gunowners believe in the tyrranical government part, how come George Bush is still president and not a-moulderin'' in his grave?

Posted by USBrit

You can bet I wouldn''t be demanding the prosecution of any malitia who removed the current Crime Ring Administration from office. Truthfully, it is probably the only way these people will pay for their crimes against the citizens of this country. I have kids though, and leaving the country is a so much easier option, if things ever begin to look like they do in Bosnia, or Palestine, or...

[downsteamjim]

As my momma would say, don''t fly away half cocked.

[downsteamjim]

No, but I was one of those voters disenfranchised by this weird thing called the Electoral College. My first time voting in this otherwise great country, and the voter doesn''''t count!!
Posted by USBrit

It''s unfortunate that you didn''t learn about the great compromise between large and small states. I guess that history should be part of the immigration test.

[gunownerdan]

dragonwagon5,
All blame for a murder should be with the criminal who uses the gun illegally.

[usbrit-2009]

I do not recall a refusal to recognize the authority of the ballot by George Bush. Are you one of those cranky Florida voters with dangling chads?

Posted by BillORights

No, but I was one of those voters disenfranchised by this weird thing called the Electoral College. My first time voting in this otherwise great country, and the voter doesn''t count!!