Comments on: Pilot Dies After 2 Air Force Jets Collide

Air Force Says F-15s Crashed Into Gulf Of Mexico; Other Pilot In Good Condition

[zootallures2]

Posted by zootallures2
And what about your freedoms they have upheald for idiots like you!!!!

Posted by dvldog5 at 09:18 AM : Feb 21, 2008

Is this like highschool where the little guy brown noses the tough guys for protection? You are an immature baboon. God is far more pwerful than the US military any day of the week. God created the real universe, not the city of tiny lights you live in.

[dvldog5]

And what about all the civilians these loons have bombed for international corporations and banks?
Posted by zootallures2
And what about your freedoms they have upheald for idiots like you!!!!

[zootallures2]

And what about all the civilians these loons have bombed for international corporations and banks?

[rowdytexan2]

Condolences to the family of the young pilot! God bless!

[tireslinger]

I couldn''t agree more with the post by jflood...this forum and others I''ve seen, seem to draw out weird, inappropriate, and/or ugly comments by people. What I cannot understand is, that someone monitors these sorts of things. The inappropriate and offensive comments, (and I use that phrase lightly), are glaringly obvious...why are they not deleted before they even get here, where others have to suffer through them. If free speech is the issue, then go somewhere else and express yourselves!

[j_flood]

May the families of both pilots know of our concern and condolences to the family who lost their son.

I will forever find it disgusting that too many people use this forum to produce vile and forgettable comments.

[brianbwb-2009]

Tallmingle.com ~~,seems it is a big ,good news there
Posted by hebe1984

Then go there with your spam, we don''t need it here. Reported.

[ringading3]

GKC99 is a coward. I dare you to make your remarks and post your real name and address. Coward!

[robertkjjj]

Erasmus6;yes and unprecedented as well. Anytime you EVER hear of 2 military jets going down at same time in same area, it is always because they collided. Period. Remember: these guys fly right next to each other as part of their practice. It just happens sometimes.

[debmul-2009]

Thoughts and prayers for both pilots and their families and friends.

[debmul-2009]

Thoughts and prayers for both pilots and their families and friends.

[sgtrds]

Both the F-15 and F-16 were in service when I was in almost 30 years ago, and they were built when *planned obsolescence* was the industry standard. Nothing like the craftsmanship that went into B-52s, F-4s and F-111s.

Posted by cyberus at 07:52 PM : Feb 20, 2008

When I was stationed at Grand Forks AFB from ''73-''77 it was a bomber/ICBM base, so the only time I saw any fighters were a few T-36 Trainers that some of the older pilots flying desk''s would use to stay qualified for flight pay while waiting to retire. Beautiful aircraft! I liked the F-4''s too (saw ''em at a Thunderbirds air show when I was 16 and it made me want to join the USAF), but they had no guns, only missiles, so they weren''t great dog fighters, or so I''m told. I wouldn''t be surprised if some of the B-52''s at GFAFB were still floating around somewhere today.

[alphaa10-2009]

The USAF now wants an armada of F22s costing some $62 billion, or $387.5 million each. This unimaginative Pentagon extrapolation of Moore''s Law proves the sky is the limit to profiting from brand-new black boxes.

Technical problems persist, especially with complex systems. The puzzle-- most pushers for new fighter tech play down bugs as "inevitable", rarely honoring simplicity and cost-effectiveness beyond a token nod in PowerPoint presentations.

The closest this country ever came to a truly intelligent fighter design was the F16. Chuck Spinney made his design so agile, easily-serviced and cheap, it was a stunning example of what America does at its inspired, technical best. Of course, the Pentagon promptly loaded the airframe with all they could, and beefed the engines to counter the extra weight and corrected for handling problems-- and overlooked Spinney''s concept entirely.

The incident of the two F15Cs shows expensive and fatal bugs linger almost forever. Only a few years ago, an F16 flipped upside down while flying over its runway because of a "software glitch".

Such anomalies showcase a paradox-- just when a design is field-refined to be reasonably free of problems, it is doomed to be labeled "obsolete" by those selling a new design at ten times the cost, and full of new bugs. Demonstrating a truth that most IT people fervently believe-- if it isn''t a significant problem, don''t "fix" it before you examine your own motives!

[gkc99]

"Air Force Says The Planes Vanished While On A Training Mission Over The Gulf Of Mexico"


They were searching for George Bushit''s service records!

[erasmus6]

They said they hadn''t determined if the planes collided. They must have, because otherwise what would cause TWO planes to crash? It would be a little weird to have both planes malfunction at the same time.

[rafterman1]

===The F15''''s are getting a little long in the tooth. Didn''''t the navy retire theirs a few years ago? Seems the Air Force should fill in with some more F16 Falcons until the Raptor comes on line.===
Posted by SgtRDS

The Navy deep sixed their F-14''s just recently. The F/A-18E Super Hornet replaced them and will supplement existing F/-18C''s.

The USAF has about 100 F-22 Raptors so far to replace the F-15''s. The F-35 Lighting is set to replace the F-16''s for the AF and Harriers for the Marines (and various European forces).

[cyberus-2009]

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he F15''''s are getting a little long in the tooth. Didn''''t the navy retire theirs a few years ago? Seems the Air Force should fill in with some more F16 Falcons until the Raptor comes on line.

Posted by SgtRDS at 07:30 PM : Feb 20, 2008
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A **little** long in the tooth?

Both the F-15 and F-16 were in service when I was in almost 30 years ago, and they were built when *planned obsolescence* was the industry standard. Nothing like the craftsmanship that went into B-52s, F-4s and F-111s.

[jlmaly]

Missing? MISSING? What does that mean. No where are they saying these planes malfunctioned and the pilots ejected, just that the planes are "missing" and the pilots were rescued. They''re not even saying they''re looking for debris from a crash or explosion. What''s up with that?? Something fishy (no pun intended) going on here...hm....

[sgtrds]

The F15''s are getting a little long in the tooth. Didn''t the navy retire theirs a few years ago? Seems the Air Force should fill in with some more F16 Falcons until the Raptor comes on line.

[downsteamjim]

That *** David Copperfield!