Comments on: One Online Dealer, Two Campus Massacres

Wis.-Based Internet Gun Dealer Sold Weapons, Accessories To NIU And Va. Tech Shooters

[mcvet]

there is free movement in and out of germany as well




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Posted by terrorislam9 at 06:34 AM : Feb 17, 2008
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Are YOU saying its as easy to get in and out of the NATION of Germany as it is to get in and out of the City of Washington. God how stupid are you anyway??? I mean I''ve met a few of you gapped toothed trailer jockeys but man YOU have got to be the worst. Someone with a 6th grade education trying to debate... great move MORON!!

[mcvet]

ummmmm washingto is a gun free zone nancy



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Posted by terrorislam9 at 05:48 AM : Feb 17, 2008
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Oh SURE! What do they have to do? Wall a few hundred feet to VA or MD? Stupid statements like this add NOTHING to the debate and come from people who NO ONE should be listening too.

[mcvet]

We have a major problem in this nation, it''s guns. Everywhere you look someone has a gun. Our son is a Policeman and every day he goes out facing more fire power than he has and that''s not counting the guns owned and used by people like the guy who bought these guns. We have communities in this nation who try to get guns off their streets but the bad guys and those who aren''t mentally stable, they just get in the car and drive to another state to buy all they want. More are going to die, many more. Why? Because to someone who is mentally unstable, they see this and think THIS is the answer for that bully who have been on my back. This is the answer to all those jocks who make fun of me. This is the answer!! The vast majority of Nations not of the third world type, have long ago realized that the MORE guns sold the MORE people will die. We require standards for a person to get behind the wheel of a car, we require standards for people to HUNT Animals, to fish, HELLL to even build an outhouse, but we require NO standards to own a piece of hardware designed and manufactured for the sole purpose of KILLING? Anyone can go out TODAY, even someone less than the age of 18, buy a gun along with the bullets for that gun. That''s not INTELLIGENT people.

Number one:

When I was a boy, my Grandfather, along with my Dad, used firearms to teach me things like respect and responsibility. They knew that if I was gonna be a man, I would get my hands on potentially dangerous tools that could be used for good or used for great harm. That was part of being a man in this world.

However, my grandfather would be spinning in his grave if he could see what "gun ownership" has degenerated into these days. You see, to him, a gun was a tool, nothing more. To see gun ownership degenerated into the bang, bang, video game, diefied toy for boys it has become nowadays would inspire nothing but contempt from him. He had no use for handguns or rifles with a magazine. He taught me very, very well that if you had need for more than one round - then you were doing something you shouldn''t be doing, and you had absolutely no business with a firearm in your hands! He was an avid hunter and a crack shot - the Marine Corps taught him that. Having the Grandfather I had was a very lucky thing for me.
So how has gun ownership degenerated into what it is today??
See post number two.

Post number Two:
We are a capitalist society, and it seems to me that "gun ownership" has become more about commerce than tradition. The "marketing department" has taken over a proud American tradition and turned it into a monster. And the NRA is very much as guilty as anybody for this. Gun ownership is more about "turning a nickle" than anything else.
I''ve heard the "collectible" argument, don''t bore me anymore with it. What I see out there is more about assault than collectible.
The marketing department wouldn''t much care for my grandfather...not much profit in single shots, he only had one and he used it his entire life. And not much profit in making a box of ammunition last several hunting seasons, either. A necessity back in the thirties.
But then I don''t give a rats behind for the marketing department (in general) and what it has done to a proud American tradition. As well as what it has done to a lot of other things in our culture. And I don''t give a rats behind for magazine emptying, video game, boys with firearms I see nowadays either, or for what they have also done to a proud American tradition.
I don''t even go to gun shows anymore-like my grandfather taught me: "When I became a man, I put away my childish toys."
The next time you attend a gun show - look around - and ask yourself if you are looking at tools for men, or toys for boys. And for goodness sakes - be honest.

[alphaa10-2009]

terrorislam9 said, "ummmmm washington IS a gun free zone nancy"
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"Gun-free" DC never has been a zone of completely effective control, and it is easy to see why. There is free movement throughout the city into MD and VA, and you would be hard-pressed to see where the borders actually lie. State borders are not policed, and no checkpoints exist whatsoever.

If this constitutes a zone free of anything, it is a zone free of all control. The illustrious mayor of DC probably has gone on record with a stern disapproval of the crime rate, but DC is instead a healthy proof of the proposition effective law requires more than passing a law.

While this statement might seem a concession to the gun lobby, it instead validates the idea that effective gun control does not occur in a vacuum, but requires a firm foundation. Gun control, like drug control, involves many interdependent neighborhood social factors, not simply more squad cars.

In a very real sense, building safer neighborhoods is a microcosm of nation-building, of bringing people into community rather than a patchwork of household fortresses, guarded by guns.

[alphaa10-2009]

terrorislma9 said, "England and Japan have lower murder rates than the US, and they have restrictive gun laws. However, Switzerland and Israel have high rates of gun distribution and have even lower rates. South Africa''''s murder rate is even higher than the US, and they have very restrictive gun laws."
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I read the same statistics, and they place the EU and Commonwealth countries,
a group with tight gun control, at one end of the world''s gun murders, and
the US at the other. Generally speaking, the trend holds true.

There are exceptions, notably the Commonwealth country of South Africa (which has gone through an extended, if not major, upheaval in its civil order since the formal end of apartheid). Thailand is not a Commonwealth member, but despite tight gun controls, runs against the trend of Asian nations with its high level of gun murders. Thailand, however, is the epicenter of much illegal traffic, an Islamist rebellion in the south and its borders are among the world''s more porous.
(see Gun Control-- 2)

[alphaa10-2009]

Gun Control-- 2
Switzerland requires its males to have a weapon, and Israel has zones where weapons are mandatory, and teachers and other public institutional workers in certain areas are encouraged to carry guns. But both countries enjoy a high standard of internal order-- a low crime rate and no guerilla groups or irridentist insurgency living among them-- so arming citizens already free from political stresses elsewhere is not likely to add to gun deaths.

Gun controls are still being studied. The Carter paper is not the last word, but was intended as a base for policy development, not a surrender of the idea of legal controls against gun-based crime. Social control through law always has been debated, but it is difficult to follow the logic of those who want effective drug control laws, but oppose effective gun control laws.

[oeangus]

I believe in DATA and FACTS, not theories. Gun free zones do two things very well
(1) They insure that only criminals have guns and
(2) They insure that only innocent victims are killed, since they can''''t defend themselves. - Posted by lf1952

If you''re truly interested in FACTS, how is it that the U.S. has over 5 times the number of murders per capita than gun-free-zone Canada? And how is it that when comparing cities in developing countries, the murder rate in Washington is 30 times that of gun-free-zone Berlin, for example?

[it_oldtimer]

People do what people do. This is really not newsworthy material.