Comments on: Bush Jabs Congress Over Spy Bill Impasse

Says U.S. In "More Danger Of An Attack" Because Congress Hasn't Extended Surveillance Law

[mbcsmith]

LIBS just don''t get it. Whine, cry, pi$$ and moan.

[joyous88]

Orange Alert! Orange Alert! Run for your lives!

This clown belongs in prison

[singingrick]

No one should be above the law. Both the President and the telecoms broke the law and should be punished.

[the74blaster]

What is really clear is that the administration has done some things that it really does not want the public to know about. That is the reason it''''s seeking retroactive immunity. What it fears is that class-action lawsuits, some of which have already been filed against the phone companies, will lead to discovery that would reveal who it was actually spying on over the last eight years (and this illegal spying program, we now know, began in early 2001, shortly after Bush and Cheney took office, and well before the 9-11 attacks).

Posted by taotxzen1,

Excellent Post! The length of your post may exceed the CBS limits but its content is great.

So does any Bush supporter care to comment on this?

[skyk-2009]

Move to Iran, drink a six pack of Mullah-Lite and really get stoned.



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Posted by jowand at 09:04 AM : Feb 16, 2008
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Anyone who thinks Democracy comes without risk is a fool. Those rights we have? Someone had to put their lives on the line for them. They weren''t cowards but you are coward enough to give them away, to surrender them, because you think it makes you safer? Then you call people names and imply they are allied with the enemy because they show the courage to stand up for the rights so many have died for. YOU are truly a disgusting human. If we, the veterans, had been like you there would be no rights, absolutely NONE!

[jerkeedoodle]

Shame on you in congress for not giving Der Fuhrer what he needs for world conquest!

[the74blaster]

I for one am tired of Chicken Little screaming ''''The sky is falling the sky is falling''''! He''''s been doing this for 7 long years now.

Posted by grumpas,

I am too. Does the chimp realize that most people in America have him pegged as evidenced by his job approval rating?

[skyk-2009]

He made a good point, you too blinded by power-politics to see it though



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Posted by jowand at 09:07 AM : Feb 16, 2008
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You people seem to be the ONLY humans on this planet who can''t see through this snake oil salesman you call a President. When WE the PEOPLE are denied our LEGAL and MORAL rights there is NO justification and NO excuse, PERIOD!

[trillion1]

I see the troll is back. It must be a lonely life having people laugh everytime you post.

[jowand]

So your point is...?
Posted by gkc99 at 08:12 AM : Feb 16, 2008

He made a good point, you too blinded by power-politics to see it though

[jowand]

I''''m getting real tired of people "protecting" me..
Posted by AntiZion at 08:38 AM : Feb 16, 2008

Move to Iran, drink a six pack of Mullah-Lite and really get stoned.

[grumpas]

I for one am tired of Chicken Little screaming ''The sky is falling the sky is falling''! He''s been doing this for 7 long years now. The occasion when there was one coming his whole administration ignored it! After all Osama didn''t give Condi a detailed report on where they were going to hit. So she wasn''t bright enough to take the warning to heart. Well, I am sorry! But, tired of Bush''s infernal squawking when he doesn''t get his own way! He acts like the spoiled 2 year old he really is!

[antizion]

If congress wants to continue to violate the law by passing this legislation we will get rid of them in the election.

I''m getting real tired of people "protecting" me..

[gkc99]

It is such an overworn conservative mantra about responsibility, that people should take responsibility for their actions.

Well let the telecom executives take responsibility for their actions, and not hide behind the Tiny Texasshole Tyrant!

They chose to enable the Federal Bureau of Spies and Snoops to intrude upon the telecoms'' customers, in violation of their contracts with those customers (sacred! sacred! according to Neoconscum--you had a contract with that credit card usurer, so pay up!).

Just another case in point of the blatant phony hypocrisy of the Darth Bushit regime and the U.S. Fascist Party, which as usual fell right in line with the Commander in Chimp!

[taotxzen1]

Sorry for the huge post, but the MSM obviously isnt getting the truth out:

Bush''s Protect America Bill Bull

President Bush has turned to the cheapest lies in an effort to protect himself from being exposed as a criminal in the ongoing campaign to have the National Security Agency spy at will on Americans.

Claiming -- without a scintilla of evidence to back him up -- that there are people planning a "much worse attack" than 9-11 on America, Bush says he must not only have free rein to unleash the NSA spymasters on American telephone and internet communications, but also a grant of complete immunity from prosecution for such spying for the telecom industry.

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[taotxzen1]

(cont)

The Senate, of course, with solid backing from Republicans and critical backing too from a significant number of treacherous Democrats (some of whom, such as Intelligence Committee head Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) have gotten significant donations from the telecom industry), has already given the president the bill he wants. It now is before the House, where some Democrats and a few Republicans who still remember there''s supposed to be a Bill of Rights, are resisting passage of the cynically named Protect America bill.

The obvious lie that the president is spreading is made evident by the fact that there is no heightened alert status -- not at airports, not at the border, not at city police and fire departments.

But furthermore, if nothing were passed, it would have no impact at all on the NSA''s current spying and monitoring activities. If there really were evidence of some kind of attack in preparation, the NSA would already be monitoring it under existing authority, and would be able to continue that activity without a warrant at least until next September!

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[gkc99]

"I''''m glad you printed this. This is kinda synonomous with not letting us tap phone calls from overseas.
Take away the tools to fight, more people end up getting hurt"--Posted by poopusbuttus



EXCEPT--it was your Chimp in Chief and his minions that failed to provide the military with sufficient flak jackets, armored vehicles, etc. even though the war was started by the US on the US time frame. It is your same Chimp in Chief who is willing, in his own words, to subject the US to an increased risk of terrorist attack just to protect the candy white a$$es of his telcom executive billionaire pals.

So your point is...?

[taotxzen1]

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And even if the authority to monitor without a warrant were not granted at that point, the administration has from now until then to obtain a warrant, which it could do anytime it wants to by going to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

So the president''s false drama of staying home from his trip to Africa is just a sham. There is no urgency to this at all.

Then there''s the whole insistence on retroactive telecom immunity. The White House claims that if immunity for past, current, and future warrantless spying by the telecom industry on behalf of the NSA is not granted, it would deter the industry from cooperating with the NSA in the future.

That is yet another fraud. If the White House or NSA were to obtain a warrant for its spying, no telecom executive would or even could refuse to comply. It''s the warrantless spying that one or two phone companies, notably Quest, had objected to in the past. The answer is easy: the NSA should seek warrants for its spying. The only explanation for the administration''s refusal to seek warrants from a court that since 1978 has only rejected a handful of requests out of hundreds of thousands submitted to it, is that it knows its request would be rejected -- and that should tell us all we need to know about what Bush is doing.

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[taotxzen1]

(cont)

What is really clear is that the administration has done some things that it really does not want the public to know about. That is the reason it''s seeking retroactive immunity. What it fears is that class-action lawsuits, some of which have already been filed against the phone companies, will lead to discovery that would reveal who it was actually spying on over the last eight years (and this illegal spying program, we now know, began in early 2001, shortly after Bush and Cheney took office, and well before the 9-11 attacks).

The claim that such discovery could lead to release of information that could alert terrorists to the fact that they are being monitored is laughable. No federal judge would allow such a thing to happen. The federal government would only have to assert such a threat, and any judge in the federal court system would agree to review the evidence before releasing it in open court.

So what is it that the White House and the NSA have been up to all these years that Bush and Cheney are so frightened to have outed?

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[taotxzen1]

(cont)

The answer seems painfully clear, especially given that we know the program began before Sept. 11, 2001 -- a period when Bush and Cheney were famously uninterested in investigating terrorism.

They had to have been spying on us -- most likely on the groups that had protested Bush''s election fraud, the Democratic opposition, possible leakers in his own administration, and then, in the wake of 9-11, the questioners of the official story of that tragic event, the growing anti-war movement, the impeachment movement, critical journalists, etc. -- in short, the same kinds of people that President Nixon, back in the 1970s, unleashed the NSA on, and which led to passage of the FISA law and the FISA court in the first place.

There is a growing shrillness to the president''s lies and to the administration''s efforts to get this protective legislation passed. With a Democratic blowout possible this November, he has to worry that all this nefarious activity could come pouring out next year, leaving both him and Vice President Cheney, by then out of office and without protection from prosecution, open to attack from both criminal prosecutors and citizen lawsuits for damages.

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