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McCain, Once Tortured Himself, Joins White House To Oppose Bill Prohibiting Waterboarding
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- I will agree not to suggest that all conservatives are ignorant neo-fascist pseudo-Christian sadists who condone torture and murder if you will agree to stop labelling liberals as baby-killing anti-American traitors who value enemy lives more than American ones. - flreason
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Very well said!!!! A round of appause from this poster! - Reply to this comment
- "Why is it that liberal Democrats are so opposed to pouring a little water on the face of an evil terrorist but they are okay with... ''''partial birth'''' abortion)?"
Posted by bobmarisol
First of all, you''re assuming that every person that this procedure is used on is "evil." Are you in a position to guarantee that no innocent people will ever be water-boarded? If it can be used on our enemies, might there also in the future be some situations where its use on American citizens might be justified? That''s a really slippery ethical slope to traverse, especially when all research suggests that information extracted under torture is unreliable. The Bush Administration started down that slope by declaring they had the right to declare American citizens enemy combatants and suspending habeus corpus rights for them.
Painting all liberals as somehow condoning the casual murder of fetuses for convenience is a distortion that fundamentalist Christian idealogues use to whip up sentiment against their political opponents. Pro-choice supporters may have their own agendas, but they are more likely to assume that women who make a choice like that do it as a last resort, not as a convenience.
I will agree not to suggest that all conservatives are ignorant neo-fascist pseudo-Christian sadists who condone torture and murder if you will agree to stop labelling liberals as baby-killing anti-American traitors who value enemy lives more than American ones. - Reply to this comment
- 2006 Detainee Treatment Act which included a ban on waterboarding, which President Bush invalidated by a signing statement giving himself the authority to ignore it.
must be nice to write a statement to brake the law. - Reply to this comment
- Americans will have to choose between supporting a ban on waterboarding and protecting national security: "They''ll have to ask themselves, ''Do you trust the intelligence community more than you trust Democrats who are beholden to their left wing?''
Answer, NO, HELL NO! - Reply to this comment
- Good badaxmofo, good boy.
You had better continue to toe the GOP line when the US falls to that utopian Permanent Republican Majority, or you yourself will discover what happens to political dissentors by the pro-torture laws you yourself have advocated.
Tell me....
What kind of torture did Saddam do to political dissentors, before Bush pulled him out of power?
How much centralization of power did Saddam give himself and his party before Bush pulled him out of power?
How much oil was Saddam sitting on before Bush pulled him out of power, and got him hung?
Aren''t the parallels interesting..... - Reply to this comment
- Most of what hillaryin08 and bax can muster in these conversations is killing people, war, gay bashing and in general a rhetoric of hatred and intolerance. Isn''t that the MORAL VALUES that Bush has shown the world? Why would he want to increase the US standing in the eyes of the world. He is the scourge of the earth and it is reflecting on our nation.
This year can not pass quick enough. - Reply to this comment
- Only if you come out of the closet first big guy
Posted by hillaryin08 at 03:55 PM : Feb 14, 2008
You can tell when spring is coming.
The fruit flies are out... - Reply to this comment
- C-SPAN is going to be interesting to watch now that this Regime is out of the closet about waterboarding.
Can''''t wait for a witness to take the 5th and then gets the hose...
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Posted by IOWEIGN at 03:54 PM : Feb 14, 2008
Only if you come out of the closet first big guy - Reply to this comment
- C-SPAN is going to be interesting to watch now that this Regime is out of the closet about waterboarding.
Can''t wait for a witness to take the 5th and then gets the hose... - Reply to this comment
- It''''s simulating drowning (or in some cases, actually drowning the person accidentally). It''''s not just "a little water". Have the courage to call it what it is instead of these euphanisms, like "enhanced interrogation methods". It is torture, plain and simple, and that puts us in the same class as countries like North Korea, Iran and Saudi Arabia. Now there''''s some company to keep. First we had famous torture houses like the Hanoi Hilton and Lubyanka Prison. Now, Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib join the list of the infamous. Americans should be ashamed that we have joined such company.
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Posted by rafterman1 at 03:27 PM : Feb 14, 2008
Only the liberals are ashamed. The rest of us our proud that we have taken the high road and adopted interogation techniques such as water boarding that does not leave any permanent physical or mental harm.
I noticed that all liberals hate themselves, why not try some ICE cream instead of hate speech? - Reply to this comment
