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- Wrong. Pimping out our industry only forestalls confrontation, not makes others your buddy.
Posted by b-easy63
The technology advantage that America had enjoyed has all but vanished thanks to our short sighted greed of moving technology over there. - Reply to this comment
- "China"s population of ethnic Han Chinese is approximately 90 percent of its entire 1.3 billion people. Of the 1.3 billion, approximately 600 million people live on less than one dollar per day."
[Living Han to mouth, as it were.]
Wikipedia - Reply to this comment
- ust recently, US economists have begun to rethink their positions on global trade and outsourcing. They have mostly been for it from the beginning because it would bring cheaper goods, global prosperity and peace. Now, they are seeing data showing they miscalculated.
In America, IMHO, the 12M illegals were not factored into the equation. That tipped us over.
Posted by donbl1 at 10:28 PM : Feb 10, 2008
What "tipped us over" was the gurus failing to factor in, that without handicapping the effect of globalization and defection of American business, it would become an end unto itself and the slow bleed of jobs and industry to overseas markets would destroy many aspects of the American market. This in and of itself is not a problem if one thinks all Americans can simply be re-trained to be something else--except in a global economy where 95% of all goods consumed is done by the population that is being economically hamstrung--there will be no need for service jobs or any other kind, because as the American market dominoes with loss revenue and high paying wages being replaced with low pay and minimum wages--then those who kept the economy and indeed the world economy booming, are no longer in a position to do so--as we dominoe--so goes the world. It''s really simple: If you want us to buy most of the worlds goods, we have to have most of the worlds jobs and high wages to do so--we don''t. Now people are scratching their heads and wondering why we can''t buy--we can''t. Not anymore. - Reply to this comment
- I''''ll tell you what I think of the Reagan administration... once I''''ve paid for it"
Posted by ubrew12
Reagan nothing less than Nazis Economics - churn the military industrial complex - but instead of making war to repay the debt (booty from other countries) - the future U.S. taxpaper ate that debt. - Reply to this comment
- They also have the highest personal tax rates (up to 70% in holland for the highest tax bracket.They also have Universal health care that requires those at the top to not only pay for the bottom, but to use private insurers for their own care or supplement the Universal care--
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They also have 6-8 weeks of vacation per year. We are told Americans want to work longer and harder so that we may buy more "stuff". Then again, no one bothered to ask me before they voiced my opinion. - Reply to this comment
- b-easy, there is a theory now that China is so indebted to outsourcing that they must keep the train rolling to create jobs for the 1B who are making dollars a month and want part of the prosperity they see on TV and in the cities.
The theory goes that a recession in America could have serious political repercussions inside China and cause revolution. - Reply to this comment
- donbl1 said: "I like the US method better."
Still, I''m reminded of what someone once said when another said they liked the Reagan administration.
"I''ll tell you what I think of the Reagan administration... once I''ve paid for it" - Reply to this comment
- Posted by donbl1 at 10:28 PM : Feb 10, 2008
Wrong. Pimping out our industry only forestalls confrontation, not makes others your buddy. China has a very different take on human life due to their surplus of it--but this is one truth, in 2006, China concluded (as reported by our state dept) that in a head to head war with America they would become victorious as we had neither the acumen to stamina to sustain a war, China also maintains a 200 million man standing army, and know that in a ground war (were we suicidal enough to attempt it), they could overwhelm us.
In addition, due to our reticence and to their mind overzealousness in life''s sanctity, they could exploit suicide attacks, etc, knowing we tend to recoil from such actions. China bides her time--she has it--but she also knows that America will not willingly relinquish her standing as the world economic power, so she edges and chips away--but she also goes on record condemning American torture and agression and voting against any attempt by America to contain most of our perceived enemies--the message is: we hold our position for now--but the day of the dog will come --then American and her poodle will be up against Russia and her pit bull and we shall see. It is a delay, no one likes a bully and America has been bullying everyone for the past 40 years. The day will come when those who would defend us will be too weak, and those who would fight with us--will delight in our fall. - Reply to this comment
- We are not going to war with China.
There are pretty good reasons not to.
Lets see... They have 1.2 billion people, the world"s largest army and nuclear weapons. They are about to put a man on the moon.
They have one of the world"s fastest growing economies.
They are an enormous bulwark against the expansion of Islam.
They loan us money when we need it.
etc. etc... - Reply to this comment
- b-easy63 said: "Companies DISCOURAGE true original thinking--what they want is group think"
Believe me, I know that from the inside. I''ve had bosses that would ding you if you even LOOKED like you''d had an original thought, so threatened were they by them. - Reply to this comment
- b-easy, interesting.
EU: lower corporate and higher personal taxes with what we Americans would call social welfare programs.
US: Higher corporate and lower personal taxes with more personal choice on services and less government.
Personally, I like the US method better. - Reply to this comment
- But when you ''''anchor'''' your salary to 5 billion starving Chinese/Indians/ Indonesians/South Americans/ etc, its wise to take it slow. We didn''''t, and here we are...
Posted by ubrew12
The Haitians are eating "mud pies" to postpone starvation - dirt, shorting, and salts. I read this the other day. - Reply to this comment
- donbl1 said: "I think that the reason for the global business push was to reduce the chance of war [with China]. [Economists] have mostly been for it from the beginning because it would bring cheaper goods, global prosperity and peace. "
Nothing wrong with change. But when you ''anchor'' your salary to 5 billion starving Chinese/Indians/ Indonesians/South Americans/ etc, its wise to take it slow. We didn''t, and here we are... - Reply to this comment
- "AP Poll: To Fix Economy, Get Out Of Iraq"
Most people have figured it out by now.
Massive deficit spending to support that war is not a good idea.
Senator John ("Lets Stay There 100 Years") McCain will get a little reminder in November, when the roof falls in on him. - Reply to this comment
- b-easy, actually, EU has the lowest corporate tax rates in the developed countries. I suspect that has been important in them staying there.
MCV, actually, a strong President can impose his will. Bush has certainly imposed his will.......
Posted by donbl1 at 10:19 PM : Feb 10, 2008
They also have the highest personal tax rates (up to 70% in holland for the highest tax bracket.They also have Universal health care that requires those at the top to not only pay for the bottom, but to use private insurers for their own care or supplement the Universal care-- and American goods in Europe are 2 to 3X the price of the local goods. I was born in England, my husband is from Holland, we lived in Holland before returning to the states.Trust me, American jeans that cost 30 or 40.00 here have always cost 90 to 180.00 there. Same is true of cars or any other American products, they are considered luxury goods and are priced higher than the similar domestic item. - Reply to this comment
- Posted by ubrew12 at 10:17 PM : Feb 10, 2008
Companies DISCOURAGE true original thinking--what they want is group think and the ability for those in the game to think of new ways to tweak the game NOT reinvent or scrap the game--and face it--an orginal thinker would think of a new game entirely--that is not desirable. The idea of the original or maverick in the work place is NOT encouraged and in fact is a very bad career move (no matter what you see on tv) don has no new paradigm, what he says in no more than it repeated ad nauseum by economic gurus on the networks and by Bush''s own apologists. He presumes to "know" based on how well he assimilated what he has been told. The truth is, most Americans say we are in recession for 3 very good reasons:
1. they feel it in their own lives, with struggle to make ends meet ...2. They see it continually with the value of the falling dollar and how it relates to ends meeting or not meeting...3. The know for a fact that the government will lie its head off , to stave off criticism or trouble and pass the buck
As for Iraq--we always realize that spending 300 million per day (minimum) on a war of choice is not prudent when our money is not doing well (morality issues aside).
Just like we know, that if a man loses his job and has no money to pay his mortgage--now is not a good time for him to go out and buy a new car...... - Reply to this comment
- Gaye, thanks for the note.
I think that the reason for the "global business" push was to reduce the chance of war. The theory being that if China becomes a capitalist society and business partner then they are less apt to risk war. This may actually be proving out.
The politicians that came up with the idea did not fully grasp the impact to the local economies.
Just recently, US economists have begun to rethink their positions on global trade and outsourcing. They have mostly been for it from the beginning because it would bring cheaper goods, global prosperity and peace. Now, they are seeing data showing they miscalculated.
In America, IMHO, the 12M illegals were not factored into the equation. That tipped us over. - Reply to this comment
- MCV, actually, a strong President can impose his will. Bush has certainly imposed his will.......
Posted by donbl1
LoL, he would also be a dead one. The corporate mob would frame him (drugs, ***, and money) or he would be shot (Hoover used *** schemes to frame JFK). Have you ever watched Oliver Stone''s "Nixon"??? Good ole Dickey call the political system, "a wild beast." - Reply to this comment
- donbl1, we have had that problem here in Australia, and I believe it is the problem in all western countries.
It has been happening since our left wing got into government about 22 years ago, and the right winged didn''t reverse it much..Our governments have made it so that we take all our industries to the Asian countries where wages are much cheaper, thus our we now have to import making our overseas deficit out of control, and our people unemployed..no industries fewer jobs.. I believe that it is called globalization, or a level playing field or free trade, and how can people trade when our own are unemployed.
Oh well I suppose it makes the Asian countries very rich..
I also have read that the Muslims want America to go under, and they are doing everything that is possible for them to do to bring this about.. - Reply to this comment
- b-easy, actually, EU has the lowest corporate tax rates in the developed countries. I suspect that has been important in them staying there.
MCV, actually, a strong President can impose his will. Bush has certainly imposed his will....... - Reply to this comment
