Comments on: Six Dead In Missouri City Council Shooting

Mayor Critically Injured; 2 Police Officers, 3 Council Members Killed; Shooter Left Suicide Note

[stupidrules3]

erasmus6,
MOST of our men have never been in the military. If you check your statistics you will find this to be true. Also, the violent crime rate among veterans is below the average by far. The FACT is, guns are out there. It is up to each individual whether they own guns or not. Many criminals choose to own guns. Many citizens choose not to own guns. These people are at the mercy of the first criminal that comes along with a gun.

[bluestardad]

Every politician who does not listen to the people is now AFRAID!

AMERICA DO SOMETHING OR SHUT UP!

[newsjunky5]

"Give me liberty or give me death"
They took his liberty, he gave them death.

[ssm9451]

Kirkwood, Mo is a really cool area. Real old restored victoria homes. Nice neighborhood. The shooter lived in Meacham Park,(black neighborhood) outside of Kirkwood, but in the area.
This shooter was just another nut. St. Louis local news has the facts. KSDK-TV(Channel 5) KMOV.COM (channel 4 are now broadcasting live at the scene, going to be a prayer vigil)

[justfacts2]

Again, whoever wrote this article wasn''t paying attention. One of the people killed was not a council member. He was a public works director who happened to be at the meeting last night. There were only five people killed by the nutjob and not six. Why can''t journalists get their facts straight when they report anything?

Every gun should be registered once a year. Every change of ownership should require a new registration. Unstable people should not be allowed to buy guns or possess them. As an honest law-abiding gun owner, I have no problem with this. After all, I do the same thing for my dog every year. Such a law would prevent 2 things from happeneing: unstable people from buying guns (see above), and straw buyers from buying thousands of guns every year and re-selling them illegally. No one''s legal rights are infringed, problem solved.

[erasmus6]

"Just know that there will be one person (me) sitting in the restaurant armed and ready when the next crazy person comes in shooting! Someone said "Without a gun, there is no shooter". No, but there may be a bomber. You don''''t need a gun to kill someone." posted by mira07

Hahaha, you are funny. By the time you realize that someone has thrown a bomb, it will be too late. That gun of yours will by useless.

[mira07-2009]

Yeah, right. I''m sure that taking away every single gun is the answer! That way the only people who have them are the criminals who get them illegally! Just know that there will be one person (me) sitting in the restaurant armed and ready when the next crazy person comes in shooting! Someone said "Without a gun, there is no shooter". No, but there may be a bomber. You don''t need a gun to kill someone.

[marymcq]

to hillaryin08, WHAT?????????

[erasmus6]

The reason why Americans are so OBSESSED about their guns is because they feel powerless without them.

There was an article on this website awhile back saying that the military physically and mentally abused it''s people and that it was lowering their self-esteem etc. They said that they were going to stop it doing it.

The fact is that for years people were FORCED into the military. They did''nt have a choice.

Then when you are in there you are physically and mentally abused. Not only does it lower self-esteem but it makes you feel helpless and powerless. Then what do they do? They then hand you a gun. How does that make you feel? POWERFUL.

The reason you have so many problems with guns and crime is because most of your men have been in the military and have been abused in this way. To most men that gun represents POWER and without it they feel powerless. That is why just the talk about having their wee guns taken away sends them into a panic.

[gvandetta]

When Charles Thornton took the law into his own hands mistakenly believing that a %u201Cbullet spoke louder than words%u201D his actions were merely an excuse for acts of revenge and hatred. Justice cannot be brought about by acts of violence and often, not at the local level. The only way to make those in the justice system take notice of egregious miscarriages of justice and civil rights violations is to stay the course and fight within the system at the appellate level and develop case precedence. I would like to remind others who are fighting against %u201Cinjustice disguised as process%u201D (a term associated with a %u201CKangaroo Court%u201D) is that there will always be other legal means to address any perceived miscarriage of justice. I too, have been fighting %u201Ca war against people who I believe are tormenting me and my family%u201D. since 2003. Like Mr. Thornton, I have also recently been %u201Cthrown out%u201D of federal court merely because I could not draft a complaint based on Rule 8(a)(2) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure which requires a %u201Cshort and plain statement of the claim showing that the pleader is entitled to relief.%u201D My lawsuits were recently dismissed, with prejudice, not based on the merits of any claim. But I%u2019m continuing to fight within the system at the appellate level...which speaks to the justice system in a way that does not take human life. For more information please refer to my Yahoo! and Google ALP JUSTICE PACT groups.

[boston1954]

Another shooting. Woman killed two students in college in Baton Rouge, La.!~ What the heck is going on? Posted by schoollord
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Check out the last chapter of the Bible.

[newsjunky5]

Good points, Rudy654. However I would argue that,

1)The sense of collective responsibility comes with a government by/for the people, which is a collective of money and means to solve problems an individual can''t resolve on their own. This is what Gov''t is supposed to do. Our gov''t alienates us, we feel alienated, everyone for themselves, Wild West.

2)Everyone with a firearm at home in Switzerland is trained. I have no problem with training/licensing for gun ownership here. We do it for the more dangerous automobile, and in many states, safety training to get your first hunting permit.

3)Once the government feeds and houses those who are unable to do so themselves, no one will feel the need to rob you, or carry a weapon to keep from getting robbed. It was illegal to carry a gun in Virginia until the 1980''s happened, and the starving criminals we made started carrying them anyway. At that point, we had to let the law-followers carry them too.

[nothappyatall]

"The only way that I can put into context that you might understand is that my brother went to war tonight with the people, the government that was putting torment and strife into his life,"

Lets see, he got 150 tickets for parking large commercial vehicles in a residential neighborhood, hello?
Avoid all that and park where you are supposed to!
Who the hel1 would want a smelly, dirty ratty looking asphalt truck parked overnight in front of your HOUSE every night?
No wonder they ticketed him.

[iceman_1960]

When b-easy36 held up the terrorist suicide bombers in Iraq as an example of what honest citizens can do with their hunting rifles to resist a tyrannical government, I should have known right then she wasn"t a person I was going to have a Socratic Dialogue with on this issue.

Maybe I"ll run into her over at the Britney Spears story, though.

I"m sure she"ll have many valid points to make about that.

[newsjunky5]

I want to take your guns away, but only if they''re really nice ones.

[rudy654-2009]

Everyone has a gun in their home in Switzerland, but the banks aren''''t taking their homes, the government isn''''t harvesting their money for no-bid contracts, people get their medical expenses covered, they''''re not starting wars, and gun violence is extremely rare. Posted by newsjunky5 at 01:08 PM

You cannot and should not try and compare the Swiss in this matter. 1) In Switzerland men between the ages of 21 and 32 serve as part of a army that is on-call. They receive training and keep their guns with them if they get called to action. 2) Even with that, there are several Cantons that restrict the carrying of firearms. 3) Switzerland enjoys a sense of collective responsibility.

By contrast in the US there exists a wild west gun mentality of shoot first and then ask questions later. Vengeance is always the right of every gun toting individual. Don''t think so? Well, next time somebody takes the law in his/her own hands and shoots someone, watch all the people post on here about how they would have done the same thing, while they cheer the individual on for having done it. This mentality simply doesn''t exist in Switzerland. Gruezi aus der Schweiz!

[prinzowhales]

Mr. Thornton should be a poster boy for the Second Amendment. We have an ever increasing population of the mentally ill, thanks largely to diet and environment--and medication...they are not going to be stopped by the police until they cause considerable damage. Never give up your guns...

Alex Jones has reported that the Regime is recruiting the clergy to talk their flocks into surrendering to whatever the Regime wants--including the surrender of firearms in the case of ''national emergency''...We have Tommy Franks running around at a six figure government salary saying that ''one more attack on America'' and we''ll have to suspend the Constitution...declare martial law....26,000 that they want to increase to 52,000.

[hillaryin08]

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Posted by newsjunky5 at 01:34 PM : Feb 08, 2008

Do you want our guns lib?

Molon labe (come and get them)

[newsjunky5]

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